Royal Dukes, Royal Duchies and Royal Ducal Titles

[Lady Marmalade]

Originally Posted by Mapple

Warren
Why?

Because I think for protocol reasons they would use the title Prince and Princess of Hanover.

I know..I am not Warren...so I hope I do not offend by answering instead of him... :)

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Mapple

Warren..Why?

I guess he would be formally addressed (or referred to) as The Prince of Hanover because this is the title he uses, rather than just Prince Ernst August of Hanover, or Ernst August Prinz von Hannover. Or we could wait until he (and/or Caroline) appears in the Court Circular to get the correct answer!

[btsnyder]

I hope this isn't off-topic, but does anyone know exactly why Edward VII declared that the two daughters of the Princess Royal - Maud and Alexandra - should have the tutular dignity of princesses of the UK and the style Highness? What was the thinking behind this, if anyone knows? And had the style "highness" ever been used in Britain before?

[Mapple]

Hereford is presently a vicecomital title.

[Mapple]

Lady Marmalade
Warren
I see. :-)

[Mapple]

Originally Posted by btsnyder

I hope this isn't off-topic, but does anyone know exactly why Edward VII declared that the two daughters of the Princess Royal - Maud and Alexandra - should have the tutular dignity of princesses of the UK and the style Highness? What was the thinking behind this, if anyone knows? And had the style "highness" ever been used in Britain before?

Yes, of course. I think that the great-grandsons of the monarch were styled as such for some time.

[Lady Marmalade]

Originally Posted by Mapple

Hereford is presently a vicecomital title.

Oops...thank you!! :)

I was thinking of Hertford....darn these titles.....

http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/genealogy/royal/peerage.html

Is an excellent source of British peerage titles..by rank and then by title and the broken into the families...

[btsnyder]

Speaking of which, did you know that in Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen? :-)

[Mapple]

btsnyder

By the way, there is no Hampshire peerage title at all.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by btsnyder

I hope this isn't off-topic, but does anyone know exactly why Edward VII declared that the two daughters of the Princess Royal - Maud and Alexandra - should have the tutular dignity of princesses of the UK and the style Highness? What was the thinking behind this, if anyone knows? And had the style "highness" ever been used in Britain before?

The King elevated his two Fife grandaughters to HH Princess of GB and Ireland at the same time he made Louise The Princess Royal. It was probably done to reflect their mother's status, which was superior to her husband's.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

Because I think for protocol reasons they would use the title Prince and Princess of Hanover.

I know..I am not Warren...so I hope I do not offend by answering instead of him... :)

Maybe. But the Foreign Office would probably have to be consulted to ensure no offense to Germany, which does not recognize any of the former royal titles in the federal republic. There is no longer a Prince of Hanover.

It would be politically correct to address him the other way. Legally, he is Ernst-August, Prince von Hannover, so HRH Prince Ernst-August von Hannover is close enough.

[btsnyder]

I guess that makes sense, since Princess Louise was the first Princess Royal to marry someone of lower status. I wondered why George V didn't follow this tradition with Princess Mary, but perhaps since she had two sons, one of which was heir to an earldom, it wasn't seen as necessary.

In a similar verin, I've often wondered why Princess Anne declined a peerage for her husbands. I'm inclined to think she feels they're not worthy!

[Lady Marmalade]

Do you really think the German government, with all they are going through presently, gives a toss about Ernst August and his titles???

C'mon...they have bigger issues right now....

[branchg]

Originally Posted by btsnyder

In a similar verin, I've often wondered why Princess Anne declined a peerage for her husbands. I'm inclined to think she feels they're not worthy!

I think Mark Phillips was adamant about not becoming a peer and Anne was fully supportive of his decision. They wanted their children to have a down-to-earth upbringing. But, of course, the Queen could grant Peter and Zara peerages at any time (most likely when they marry, at least in Peter's case).

With Tim Laurence, there was no reason to make him a peer since Anne wasn't going to have any children with him.

[kelly1972]

I have a feeling that Peter wouldn't accept a title as he has lived 28 yrs without one. Both Peter and Zara seem to be well adjusted people and are happy to live their lives without being titled.

[susan alicia]

Black days for Conrad's memorial | the Daily Mail


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No stranger to brushes with the law, the colourful Duke of Manchester has once again found himself in trouble. The eccentric aristocrat, who lives in California, has been involved in a confrontation with police near his Newport Beach home after a dispute over a restraining order between him and his ex-wife Wendy.
Alexander Montagu - or Lord Alex as he styles himself in the U.S. - claims that after a visit from police officers, he was left with an open wound the size of a fist on his chest.

Now the 44-year-old Duke says he has filed a £100million lawsuit against the local sheriff's department for his injuries. As a young man Montagu, whose father the 12th Duke was also a convicted criminal, did time in Australia for fraud and assault. "The judge said I'd swallowed the silver spoon," he tells Tatler magazine.

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[susan alicia]

Duke of Clarence

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[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by HM Queen Catherine

The Duchy of York was first created in 1385, and was a landed dukedom until it merged with the Crown in 1461, when the holder became Edward IV. There have also been several Earls of York in medieval times. Since 1461, it has traditionally been the title for the second son of the Sovereign.

It can of course be inherited if the holder happens to have a son to inherit.

If Prince Andrew were to remarry and have a son that son would inherit the title and in a couple of generations, like Gloucester and Kent will have with the next holders, not have a royal designation.

It is is unusual that no holder of the Duke of York title has actually passed it to a son since the middle ages with each successive creation either having only daughters e.g. Prince Andrew or having no legitimate children at all e.g. Prince Frederick brother of George IV or merge with the crown when the holder becomes king e.g. George V and George VI.

I doubt that it would ever become Harry's title as it can't be recreated until after Andrew's death and I would assume that Harry would already have a title considering that Andrew is only 49. With the longevity of hisp parents he could easily live another 40 years making Harry in his mid-60s before the title becomes vacant. Even William's own second son may have a title by then.

[HM Queen Catherine]

I totally agree with you. It will be interesting to see which dukedom befalls Prince Harry, because like you, I doubt he would inherit York for a number of years.

I'm sure he will be created Duke of something before the death of Andrew, and there are several for the royal family to choose from.

Cambridge, Sussex, Albany, and Clarence are all extinct royal titles. There were quite a few suggestions to make Prince Edward either Duke of Cambridge or Duke of Sussex upon his marriage, but he was created Earl of Wessex instead. Since he will become the Duke of Edinburgh on the death of his parents, that particular title will not be given to Prince Harry.

Most probably out of the running is Duke of Windsor, for obvious reasons, and Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, since an Irish peerage has not been revived or granted since their independence in 1922. Albany is disputed, since the male heirs of the 2nd Duke can petition for restoration of the title, and same is true for the Duchy of Cumberland.

Personally, I like HRH Prince Henry, The Duke of Sussex!

[Elspeth]

I wonder if he'd be created Earl of Something like Edward, in the expectation that eventually he'll take the Duke of York title probably during William's reign. On the other hand, it probably makes more sense for that title to wait for William's second son. At least that means it'll be longer before the York title leaves the royal family. I think it's a shame that the Gloucester title, with all its royal history, will no longer be royal when the present Duke dies.