Royal Dukes, Royal Duchies and Royal Ducal Titles

[Artemisia]

Originally Posted by Osipi

I was merely stating why I believed he would be created the Duke of Edinburgh when the time comes. I gives credence to why it would go to Edward rather than someone else in the family.

I should have read more carefully.
As I already said in the second part of my post, I agree with your reasoning.

[Queen Penelope]

IIRC Prince Edward has done lots of work on behalf of the DoE Awards Scheme for years prior to his wedding - my first recollection is from the much maligned "It's a Royal Knockout" that he, Anne, Andrew and Sarah were apart of that Edward had a hand in bringing about.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Queen Penelope

IIRC Prince Edward has done lots of work on behalf of the DoE Awards Scheme for years prior to his wedding - my first recollection is from the much maligned "It's a Royal Knockout" that he, Anne, Andrew and Sarah were apart of that Edward had a hand in bringing about.

Edward also participated in the Gold Award too.

From the British Monarchy website:

Prince Edward started his Gold Award while at Gordonstoun School and completed it at Cambridge University. His expedition component involved planning and executing, with a group, a 60-mile, four-day trek from Blair Atholl to Tomintoul through the Cairngorms. Like all Award expeditions, it was supervised but unaccompanied.

[Kataryn]

I know about the DoE-Awards scheme and what Edward does for it. Still I don't see the need for Edward to become the next DoE - as eg The Duke of Suffolk he could as well chair the DoE-Awards in honour of his father.

But I don't know how much times have changed within Royal circles. Yes, Anne did not want a noble title for her husband but then I wasn't thinking about that but about a title for herself. A real one, not just a flimsy girlish thing like Princess Royal. When it is decided that William and Catherine's firstborn will be king or queen, no matter what the gender - isn't that the right time to give a Royal peerage to a princess who has done so much for her country? A peerage her older brother can't hold himself, but she can? Why bypass her for her younger brother? Because she is "only" a woman?
I would like Charles to decide against his parents wish and go for Anne!

[Lumutqueen]

He can't go for Anne without issuing entirely new LPs. And exactly why should Edward be deprived of a title he's been promised for years? On another note, the guy isn't going to be given a title in replace of Edinburgh eg, Suffolk. The Princess Royal title is not girly, it's well deserved and a true honour for Anne to hold.
If people had their way Anne would be Queen, when Charles deserves it much more.

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

He can't go for Anne without issuing entirely new LPs. And exactly why should Edward be deprived of a title he's been promised for years? On another note, the guy isn't going to be given a title in replace of Edinburgh eg, Suffolk. The Princess Royal title is not girly, it's well deserved and a true honour for Anne to hold.
If people had their way Anne would be Queen, when Charles deserves it much more.

He need to issue new LP for a new creation of the Edinburgh-title anyway. And why should not Prince Philip's first grandson inherit his title after his mother?
I don't think people would want Anne to become the next souverain, she is after all younger than Charles. Even if they are for gender equality, Charles still is the firstborn. Bit if Charles recreates the Edinburgh-title after his ascension and his father's death (whatever comes last), why not for the next sibling in the order of age?

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

He need to issue new LP for a new creation of the Edinburgh-title anyway. And why should not Prince Philip's first grandson inherit his title after his mother?
I don't think people would want Anne to become the next souverain, she is after all younger than Charles. Even if they are for gender equality, Charles still is the firstborn. Bit if Charles recreates the Edinburgh-title after his ascension and his father's death (whatever comes last), why not for the next sibling in the order of age?

Why go back on what had already been announced? Why put the new King Charles III in the position of denying what had already been promised and being seen to publically ignore his parents wishes? That would not be the best way to start off the new reign. Why grant a hereditary peerage to The Princess Royal when she had already stated her wish for her own children to be titleless private citizens?

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

Bit if Charles recreates the Edinburgh-title after his ascension and his father's death (whatever comes last), why not for the next sibling in the order of age?

After watching Charles' tribute to his mother, it is very plain to see that he loves and honors both of his parents. I have no doubt in my mind that he will create the title Duke of Edinburgh for Edward solely for the reason that it is his parent's wish that it happen this way.

[cepe]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

I know about the DoE-Awards scheme and what Edward does for it. Still I don't see the need for Edward to become the next DoE - as eg The Duke of Suffolk he could as well chair the DoE-Awards in honour of his father.

But I don't know how much times have changed within Royal circles. Yes, Anne did not want a noble title for her husband but then I wasn't thinking about that but about a title for herself. A real one, not just a flimsy girlish thing like Princess Royal. When it is decided that William and Catherine's firstborn will be king or queen, no matter what the gender - isn't that the right time to give a Royal peerage to a princess who has done so much for her country? A peerage her older brother can't hold himself, but she can? Why bypass her for her younger brother? Because she is "only" a woman?
I would like Charles to decide against his parents wish and go for Anne!

It is not a flimsy girlish thing - it is not automatic and only the Sovereign can award it. Princess Anne is very proud of receiving this title which has high status in the Royal Family.

And there is certainly nothing flimsy or girlish about the Princess and if she wanted a title, she would ask and, I think, get it. But she wouldn't want either her parents or Prince Charles to break a promise

[Archduchess Zelia]

The title of Princess Royal is one of the least flimsy titles I know, in fact I'd rather be made the Princess Royal than given any kind of dukedom. It's a very big honour.

[Jenafran]

Did I read somewhere recently that Princess Anne turned down her own duchy?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Jenafran

Did I read somewhere recently that Princess Anne turned down her own duchy?

Unless it was some very far out magazine, I haven't heard the story. Anne has never been offered one, and Mark was offered an Earldom which he turned down.

[Iluvbertie]

It is in today's DM in the article on the Queen's godchildren and relatives born in during her reign - under Peter Philips entry, explaining why he was the first non-royal member of the royal family in over 500 years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...orn-reign.html

25 Peter Mark Andrew Phillips.BORN: 15 November, 1977, to Princess Anne and Captain Mark Phillips. NAPPY NOTE: The first Royal technically born a commoner in 500 years after his father declined a title and Anne turned down a duchy. SUCCESSION: 11th.

[EIIR]

I think Princess Royal is a lovely title. It's like the holder's not just a Princess; she's the Princess Royal. Kinda like being a Princess squared.

[branchg]

I don't think Anne was ever offered a dukedom in her own right, especially since she was adamant at the time of her marriage to Mark that she would support his decision to remain a commoner, rather than an Earl.

The Queen reportedly offered to elevate Peter and Zara to the rank and style of HRH Prince/Princess, but Anne declined that as well, wanting her children to have a normal upbringing without the burden of being royal.

[Iluvbertie]

When reading this the other day I was struck by the mention of her turning down a dukedom in her own right as I had never heard that before - doesn't mean it wasn't offered of course but to my knowledge this was the first time it had been stated.

It was, of course, also reported in the DM - not the most reliable of sources for royal stories.

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by branchg

I don't think Anne was ever offered a dukedom in her own right, especially since she was adamant at the time of her marriage to Mark that she would support his decision to remain a commoner, rather than an Earl.

The Queen reportedly offered to elevate Peter and Zara to the rank and style of HRH Prince/Princess, but Anne declined that as well, wanting her children to have a normal upbringing without the burden of being royal.

I cannot imagine Anne wanting her children to have any titles, as the children of an earl or a duchess, let alone be burdened with being HRH. She has always made a great point of saying her children are commoners who just happen to have The Queen as a grandmother.

If the Queen consented to Edwards children being styled as the children of an Earl it would seem off to elevate Peter and Zara to HRH, especially when it has been said for years that there is a wish to pare down the size of the royal family. Sounds like DM rubish.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by NGalitzine

If the Queen consented to Edwards children being styled as the children of an Earl it would seem off to elevate Pater and Zara to HRH, especially when it has been said for years that there is a wish to pare down the size of the royal family. Sounds like DM rubish.

The Queen's offer, if in fact it ever took place, was probably made when Anne became pregnant with her first child. I do not believe she would have made the offer after the birth of Peter and Zara.

The decision to eventually downsize the royal family hasn't actually been made at this time. James and Louise remain HRH by right of the 1917 Letters Patent, however, at their parents' request, they are not using their royal styles.

[sarahedwards2]

Originally Posted by cepe

And there is certainly nothing flimsy or girlish about the Princess and if she wanted a title, she would ask and, I think, get it. But she wouldn't want either her parents or Prince Charles to break a promise

Anne said in an interview that, as the only girl in a family of boys, there were certain assumptions as to what girls did in the royal family, and she doesn't think she fit it very conveniently. She would have probably been regarded as a tomboy, and she wasn't terribly interested in the rather more girly aspects of life. :)

[Iluvbertie]

The CC does refer to her, on occasions as a peer - e.g. The Queen, The Duke of Lancaster...