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Old 06-20-2015, 05:04 PM
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Ah. I didn't see him in any of the pictures, but it's possible I was distracted by hats.
Here is Christopher Rhys-Jones next to his lovely daughter.
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Old 06-20-2015, 05:15 PM
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If this were Mike or Carole Middleton attending Ascot they'd be on the receiving end of several social-climbing sneers. I'm glad Chris Rhys-Jones doesn't get the same bigoted treatment, but it makes me sad for the Middletons.
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Old 06-20-2015, 05:55 PM
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I don't think you can really compare the situation the Middletons are in to that of the Rhys-Jones'.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:06 PM
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I think they're very comparable. It just puts their critics in an awful light.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:13 PM
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Here is Christopher Rhys-Jones next to his lovely daughter.
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If this were Mike or Carole Middleton attending Ascot they'd be on the receiving end of several social-climbing sneers. I'm glad Chris Rhys-Jones doesn't get the same bigoted treatment, but it makes me sad for the Middletons.
I agree. Sophie, like Kate, seems to come from a close family, and her family members seem to be included in a lot of events (her dad is at Ascot most years, and I've also seen pictures of her with her nephews and brother at other events). Of course, the media don't pay as much attention to Sophie, but she doesn't get branded as being too clingy to her family, nor do people seem to complain that her middle-class family is social climbing. It shows how silly the media is about things, as it just goes to show that one can marry into the royal family and still keep their own family around, even if they are middle class (and it doesn't seem to be an issue with the royals themselves!).
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:14 PM
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Lady Helen Taylor's hat for Day 5 is gorgeous. As always, Lady Helen is elegant and unique with the same sense of style as her mother.

Sarah, Duchess of York, looked great on Day 4. What a moment of triumph for her.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:17 PM
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If this were Mike or Carole Middleton attending Ascot they'd be on the receiving end of several social-climbing sneers. I'm glad Chris Rhys-Jones doesn't get the same bigoted treatment, but it makes me sad for the Middletons.
I agree 100%. Very sad. But I suspect the Middletons don't allow themselves to be bothered by it all. (That's an opinion, not a fact). In the end, they are so far 'inside the royal circle' that the vast majority attending Ascot will never have a whisper of a chance of having their status. (Looking at it from the 'class status' perspective).

When William is King for sure (and possibly even when Charles is King), the Middletons may be more in evidence on a regular basis. Hope so.

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I think they're very comparable. It just puts their critics in an awful light.
Yes. The sniping at the Middletons is a nasty business. Says nothing about the Middeltons, says everything about the critics.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:22 PM
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I would say though (and this is simply my opinion) that the Middleton's ARE social climbers, whereas the Rhys-Jones' are not social climbers and keep themselves to themselves. They always have done since Sophie met Edward. Christopher said that the Rhys-Jones and the Windsors were miles apart and he nor his wife overly approved of Sophie's decision to start a relationship with Edward. The Middleton's, however, basically urged their daughter to be with William. Obviously the Middleton's were always going to be more well known than the Rhys-Jones', but Sophie's family have made an effort to shy away from the press and have NEVER given interviews to magazines and lived off their daughter's relative fame. Christopher is always invited to royal things (Order of the Garter, Ascot carriages, Diamond Jubilee celebrations and he was even at the Queen's 80th birthday) but the press of course don't care about Sophie's family as they aren't money spinners. The Middleton's, I believe, thrive off being money spinners.

Anyway, back on topic. Sad to see Ascot over for another year. Roll on next years hats and dresses!
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Chris Rhys-Jones is a retired tyre salesman whose daughter married into the BRF and he now attends Ascot. Don't see how that's any different from Kate's family except the Middletons are multi-millionaires.
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Old 06-20-2015, 07:21 PM
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I would say though (and this is simply my opinion) that the Middleton's ARE social climbers, whereas the Rhys-Jones' are not social climbers and keep themselves to themselves. They always have done since Sophie met Edward. Christopher said that the Rhys-Jones and the Windsors were miles apart and he nor his wife overly approved of Sophie's decision to start a relationship with Edward. The Middleton's, however, basically urged their daughter to be with William. Obviously the Middleton's were always going to be more well known than the Rhys-Jones', but Sophie's family have made an effort to shy away from the press and have NEVER given interviews to magazines and lived off their daughter's relative fame. Christopher is always invited to royal things (Order of the Garter, Ascot carriages, Diamond Jubilee celebrations and he was even at the Queen's 80th birthday) but the press of course don't care about Sophie's family as they aren't money spinners. The Middleton's, I believe, thrive off being money spinners.

Anyway, back on topic. Sad to see Ascot over for another year. Roll on next years hats and dresses!
Granted you DID say that this was your opinion. I am, however, curious how you base your opinions. What causes you to think that the Middleton's are social climbers OR that they urged their daughter on to be with William? Also I don't recall seeing the Middletons giving press interviews to magazines and just how have they lived off their daughter's relative fame? They had their business long before Catherine knew William. Being an American I am not familiar with the term "money spinner". I guess it speaks for itself .... kind of. Actually, it seems to me that your opinion is more aligned with the responses on the Daily Fail than anything else.
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Old 06-20-2015, 07:31 PM
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I would say though (and this is simply my opinion) that the Middleton's ARE social climbers, whereas the Rhys-Jones' are not social climbers and keep themselves to themselves. They always have done since Sophie met Edward. Christopher said that the Rhys-Jones and the Windsors were miles apart and he nor his wife overly approved of Sophie's decision to start a relationship with Edward. The Middleton's, however, basically urged their daughter to be with William. Obviously the Middleton's were always going to be more well known than the Rhys-Jones', but Sophie's family have made an effort to shy away from the press and have NEVER given interviews to magazines and lived off their daughter's relative fame. Christopher is always invited to royal things (Order of the Garter, Ascot carriages, Diamond Jubilee celebrations and he was even at the Queen's 80th birthday) but the press of course don't care about Sophie's family as they aren't money spinners. The Middleton's, I believe, thrive off being money spinners.

Anyway, back on topic. Sad to see Ascot over for another year. Roll on next years hats and dresses!
The Rhys-Joneses haven't necessarily always kept to themselves - I seem to recall that, in the year after Sophie married Edward, Sophie's nephew's christening was on the cover of Hello! (I don't have the magazine, but I know it has Sophie with her nephew on the cover, and evidently more pictures and a short interview with her brother inside). I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that, but I don't recall the Middletons going much beyond anything like that. I think the Rhys-Joneses have been quiet since then - maybe it didn't go over well with the Royal family.

Anyway, per your own post, the Rhys-Joneses haven't been completely quiet. Mostly, though, I think think the press don't care, and the Rhys-Joneses aren't really out for attention anyway. However, they are a very middle class family (and not nearly as well-off financially as the Middletons), and obviously Mr. Rhys-Jones is able to attend things like Royal Ascot, etc., solely because of who his daughter married.

Some of the comments about the Middletons seem unnecessary. They "basically urged their daughter to be with William"? Unsubstantiated gossip. Money spinners? Well, they still have a business to run (I believe Mr. Rhys-Jones is retired, no?).

Personally, I always like seeing that Sophie's father is included in certain royal events. Kate, of course, hasn't been at Royal Ascot, but if she were to go, I'd be happy to see her with her family, too. (Carole, apparently, did attend in 2011.)
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Old 06-20-2015, 07:53 PM
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The fifth day is disappointing. Lady Helen Taylor in an odd ensemble was in attendance.
I wonder why no one from the Windsor family is left to attend the 5th day.
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Old 06-20-2015, 08:12 PM
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Granted you DID say that this was your opinion. I am, however, curious how you base your opinions. What causes you to think that the Middleton's are social climbers OR that they urged their daughter on to be with William? Also I don't recall seeing the Middletons giving press interviews to magazines and just how have they lived off their daughter's relative fame? They had their business long before Catherine knew William. Being an American I am not familiar with the term "money spinner". I guess it speaks for itself .... kind of. Actually, it seems to me that your opinion is more aligned with the responses on the Daily Fail than anything else.
My opinion is my opinion - I don't necessarily have to justify it. You only have to read several articles, albeit from tabloid newspapers, to gain an opinion on the Middleton's and that is what I have - an opinion. I am not a fan of the Middleton's sadly so of course my opinion is going to be slightly more negative and is going to be coloured by what I read. It's just one of those things! We can't like everybody.

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The Rhys-Joneses haven't necessarily always kept to themselves - I seem to recall that, in the year after Sophie married Edward, Sophie's nephew's christening was on the cover of Hello! (I don't have the magazine, but I know it has Sophie with her nephew on the cover, and evidently more pictures and a short interview with her brother inside). I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that, but I don't recall the Middletons going much beyond anything like that. I think the Rhys-Joneses have been quiet since then - maybe it didn't go over well with the Royal family.
Granted, Sophie's brother DID do this for Hello! magazine. Pippa and James, however, have both done interviews and discussed their sister's status. They certainly didn't have to do the interviews but I imagine they wanted to and from what we read of Pippa, she enjoys the small amount of attention she receives

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Some of the comments about the Middletons seem unnecessary. They "basically urged their daughter to be with William"? Unsubstantiated gossip. Money spinners? Well, they still have a business to run (I believe Mr. Rhys-Jones is retired, no?).
Unsubstantiated gossip it may be but gossip has to arise from something...

As I said in my initial post, these are just MY opinions.

Anyway, back on topic.

I agree Al_bina - Lady Helen's ensemble was strange and her hat was an odd choice. Normally Helen is quite fashionable I believe, but everyone is allowed an off day!

The Windsor's I don't think normally attend the 5th day although I don't see why. I can see why the Wessex's don't as their children are off at the weekend and they are too young to attend, so they spend the day with them. The others though perhaps simply just don't want to go.
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Old 06-20-2015, 08:34 PM
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My opinion is my opinion - I don't necessarily have to justify it. You only have to read several articles, albeit from tabloid newspapers, to gain an opinion on the Middleton's and that is what I have - an opinion. I am not a fan of the Middleton's sadly so of course my opinion is going to be slightly more negative and is going to be coloured by what I read. It's just one of those things! We can't like everybody.


Granted, Sophie's brother DID do this for Hello! magazine. Pippa and James, however, have both done interviews and discussed their sister's status. They certainly didn't have to do the interviews but I imagine they wanted to and from what we read of Pippa, she enjoys the small amount of attention she receives


Unsubstantiated gossip it may be but gossip has to arise from something...
Says it all really. At least you admit to it.
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Unsubstantiated gossip it may be but gossip has to arise from something...

As I said in my initial post, these are just MY opinions.

Anyway, back on topic.

I agree Al_bina - Lady Helen's ensemble was strange and her hat was an odd choice. Normally Helen is quite fashionable I believe, but everyone is allowed an off day!

The Windsor's I don't think normally attend the 5th day although I don't see why. I can see why the Wessex's don't as their children are off at the weekend and they are too young to attend, so they spend the day with them. The others though perhaps simply just don't want to go.
Yes, gossip does have to arise from something - but sometimes those are things like meanspiritedness and/or jealousy. The Wessexes have had to put up with some unpleasant gossip themselves over the years (as have most royals), and once some kind of gossip starts making the rounds, it can really stick.

I, too, wonder why the Royal family aren't there on the 5th day, and I also wonder. Interesting to see who's there on which days, but then I don't know much of what goes on at Royal Ascot other than hats and horses (and I can't say I pay much attention to the horses).
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Old 06-20-2015, 08:51 PM
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Sophie was caught by a fake Sheikh trying to sell access to her royal family for her company.
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Old 06-20-2015, 09:05 PM
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Sophie was caught by a fake Sheikh trying to sell access to her royal family for her company.
That was a money-spinner maneuver.

The Earl and Countess Spencer attended Ascot too. More family members on show. Blue-blooded Charles Spencer was able to attend without rising any haunches. I hope this can be a template for all future and current in-laws. The more the merrier, regardless of birth station.
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I seem to recall Sophie getting caught on tape saying some not so nice things about her inlaws.


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I seem to recall Sophie getting caught on tape saying some not so nice things about her inlaws.


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That was the fake Sheik thing. She really didn't say anything too unpleasant, but it certainly would've been best if she hadn't said anything at all. It was certainly a lack of discretion as part of a potential business deal. This is why Edward and Sophie ended up doing the full-time royal thing - they had too many conflicts before. Now, people seem to like them better, though at the same time they also get less coverage. It's a life that seems to suit them, though.
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The tabloid created lies which play to class snobbery about the Middletons 'urging their daughter to be with William' are nonsense IMO. I doubt that they somehow bribed St. Sal to assign their daughter to the same hall. More telling Catherine had a boyfriend at St. Andrews - hardly convenient if your plan is to ensnare the future king. There were hundreds of pretty girls at St. Andrews, many also in St. Sal and/or majoring in Art History. There was a friendship that became more, the Middleton's welcomed William just as they appear to have welcomed Pippa's bfs and James' gf. Of course I judge inappropriate social climbing/clinging by Sarah and IMO the Middletons are a class act by comparison.
I was pleased to see the Middletons at Ascot a few years ago, I do hope that some day we will see the Cambridges.
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