Remembrance Day Services 1: 2003-2021


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Iluvbertie said:
He laid it last year and looked very unsteady on his feet. I remember noticing that both Princess Anne and Prince Edward stood back to let him go in first when they were leaving the ceremony ... and wondered if it was so they could help him if necessary. He is on a balcony with his sister. Precedence would have had them go in before him, just as they came out before him.
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Now that you have jogged my memory I do remember that. It was noted at the time , the way the two stood back which as you rightly say was unusual.
 
The Duke of Kent indeed is unsteady on his feet. It was noticeable during this year's Trooping at Windsor Castle, when he was his cousine's escort: the Duke had the greatest difficulties to walk. The high polished boots with spurs and the heavy bearskin hat did not help. Good that the Duke and his sister made it on the balcony!
 
Blog Real said:
This absence of the Queen is worrisome. I hope she recovers and we can see her again soon.
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I agree. It's when she's not there that people who don't normally think about the monarchy suddenly realise how strange that is. And how unsettling. Her presence in national life has been a constant.
 
I don't know why the Michaels of Kent were not on the balcony with The Duke and Princess Alexandra. It's always odd with them during Remembrance Weekend as they quite regularly attend the Albert Hall but not usually the Cenotaph and yet there have been times that Prince Michael has laid a wreath or stood on the balcony and the Princess has been on the balcony too occasionally. I don't understand why they don't just do it every year like everyone else.
 
Curryong said:
This is very sad news indeed. HM will be devastated at not being able to attend at the Cenotaph. She must rest for the rest of the year now.
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:previous: I have to agree with everything that you've said Curryong. At this point in the year, HM should likely participate only in virtual events. I do not see her attending the Diplomatic Reception if it is permitted to be held.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear, in the next week or so, that she has decided to go to Sandringham early. Next week will be a major sad day for her - her first wedding anniversary without Philip, just as today is the first birthday of their eldest child without him as well.
 
Molly2101 said:
Yep, they were definitely in the second row. Until recent years they were in the front row but I don’t know if they were in second row to make extra space to provide distance. There might have been seats next to Camilla but no one was seated in them.
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Was there a first row? I.e., was someone else seated in front of them? If not, I'd say both interpretations regarding the order of precedence are possible.

However, I noticed that previously Charles and Camilka sat on the left hand side of the queen, so that would suggest that left hand is higher than right hand and would make them higher than the Gloucesters but below Anne. Interesting (but complicated) stuff. I recall Harry and Meghan sitting on third row 2 years ago.
 
There have been Remembrances with the Wessexes front row, and there have been Remembrance with York front row. It is not exactly chiseled in granite, I would say
 
I like that the Duke of Kent was given the Queen’s usual place on the central balcony, him being a former serving officer.
 
The Duchess of Cornwall looks tense and worried. Is she worried that she'll be queen soon? Is the Queen more ill than we are being told?
 
Susan D said:
The Duchess of Cornwall looks tense and worried. Is she worried that she'll be queen soon? Is the Queen more ill than we are being told?
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It's not exactly a cheerful event.
 
The House of York was complety missing. T thought seing Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie on the Balcony.
 
Susan D said:
The Duchess of Cornwall looks tense and worried. Is she worried that she'll be queen soon? Is the Queen more ill than we are being told?
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The Prince of Wales laid two wreaths: the first one on behalf of the Queen and the second, the only wreath with the famous Three Ostrich Plumes, for himself. There was one moment he had to look behind -after saluting- to see the step and I thought: phew, that was a potential tumble. Maybe the Duchess was tense: she herself wanted not to set any foot wrong, and more likely: she hoped everything down there in front of the Cenotaph goes well.

Speaking about notable absentees: I saw Johnson, Cameron, Brown, Blair and Major. Was Teresa May absent as well?
 
Susan D said:
The Duchess of Cornwall looks tense and worried. Is she worried that she'll be queen soon? Is the Queen more ill than we are being told?
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Don't panic - Her Majesty has looked increasingly osteoporotic recently, with a very curved spine. Not doubt she has suffered a vertebral fracture and is in significant pain. I have no doubt she will be at another Remembrance service in the future!
 
irish_royalist said:
Don't panic - Her Majesty has looked increasingly osteoporotic recently, with a very curved spine. Not doubt she has suffered a vertebral fracture and is in significant pain. I have no doubt she will be at another Remembrance service in the future!
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That's why she needs to rest now and do what her doctors tell her to do when it comes to the back and the rest of the skeletal system. Osteoporosis, when it advances, make it such that even rolling over in bed and inadvertently moving a wrist the wrong way can cause a fracture. Or a twist of the neck the wrong way or sitting in an awkward position for too long. I know from experience. The Queen is a bit over 25 years older than I am and I've had to resort to using wheelchairs in places rather than walk due to osteoporosis.

Most likely, the Queen *could* have used a wheelchair and attended the Cenotaph memorial but can you imagine the uproar and the worry and the concern that would have garnered? The focus of the service would have been more on the Queen than the meaning of the service itself. HM wouldn't want that to happen. She is a woman that holds dear the importance of this day and it's meaning and she wouldn't detract from that.
 
Susan D said:
Does the Queen have osteoporosis?
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I don't think there's been any confirmed diagnosis but it's something that is very, very common and gets even more common the older a person gets. The body just doesn't support bone health as it used to.
 
Osipi said:
That's why she needs to rest now and do what her doctors tell her to do when it comes to the back and the rest of the skeletal system. Osteoporosis, when it advances, make it such that even rolling over in bed and inadvertently moving a wrist the wrong way can cause a fracture. Or a twist of the neck the wrong way or sitting in an awkward position for too long. I know from experience. The Queen is a bit over 25 years older than I am and I've had to resort to using wheelchairs in places rather than walk due to osteoporosis.

Most likely, the Queen *could* have used a wheelchair and attended the Cenotaph memorial but can you imagine the uproar and the worry and the concern that would have garnered? The focus of the service would have been more on the Queen than the meaning of the service itself. HM wouldn't want that to happen. She is a woman that holds dear the importance of this day and it's meaning and she wouldn't detract from that.
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Grand Duke Jean attended some events on a wheelchair later in life, but he had already abdicated by then. I guess other posters might know where I stand on issues like abdication or a regency, so I won't get into that. Besides that wouldn't be the appropriate forum.
 
maria-olivia said:
The House of York was complety missing. T thought seing Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie on the Balcony.
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They haven't attended since they were little girls - back about 2004 or so. They aren't working royals and so don't attend. The York's will be missing from most royal events going forward - Trooping the Colour will probably be the only event they will be seen at for the rest of the Queen's reign and after that I don't expect them to be seen officially except at weddings and funerals.

I remember, a year or two after Sophie married in, that Eugenie nearly fainted on the balcony and Sophie was praised for the way she supported Eugenie who would have been in her teens at the time.
 
Hallo girl said:
I do not recall them at the Sunday service but I do believe that they have attended the Saturday event for the British Legion
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I watch the Festival of Remembrance every year and I have never seen the York girls attend this event.
 
Iluvbertie said:
They haven't attended since they were little girls - back about 2004 or so. They aren't working royals and so don't attend. The York's will be missing from most royal events going forward - Trooping the Colour will probably be the only event they will be seen at for the rest of the Queen's reign and after that I don't expect them to be seen officially except at weddings and funerals.

I remember, a year or two after Sophie married in, that Eugenie nearly fainted on the balcony and Sophie was praised for the way she supported Eugenie who would have been in her teens at the time.
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It was Beatrice in 1999. There’s an article from the time in The Guardian noting that she fainted. There are also pictures online, which I will not share because Beatrice was clearly not well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/nov/15/firstworldwar.uk
 
Health issues can now be discussed in a new thread, which you can find here.
 
Every now and then I come across something on Facebook that educates me on things that I never knew before or even knew existed. This is what happened today.

There was a beautiful photo showing a long line of black London cabs stretching across Westminster Bridge. Their purpose was to carry veterans from Waterloo station to the Cenotaph and back again for free. This is done every year but this is the first time I've seen it mentioned and thought it was worth posting about. ?

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10158651538296733&set=gm.4099980846774409
 
Durham said:
Well talking of taxis & remembrance I hope you find this interesting.:flowers:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url...ved=0CAwQjhxqFwoTCNDMmoWEm_QCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAK
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Thanks, Durham! Very interesting story about the taxis of WWI Paris.

The correlation between those taxis and France gave me basically the same message. As those taxis in WWI did a noticeable part to assist the war effort, so did the black London cabs on Sunday sent a message that Remembrance Sunday didn't just happen at the Cenotaph with the royal family in attendance but there was concerted efforts in and around town to thank and make things easier for *all* veterans that have played a part over the years to preserve our ways of life
 
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