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Old 11-13-2017, 03:12 PM
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I think Philip summed it up nicely about how the BRF feel about the media when he said “You have mosquitoes. I have the Press.” For the most part, although I'm sure they do keep a finger on the pulse of opinion, they view the press as an annoyance to be tolerated.
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:11 PM
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Sorry if this question has been addressed in words or pictures. I can't find it in a quick look.
The second set of 3 royals who placed wreathes. I recognized Pr. Anne, but couldn't see who the other 2 were. I assume one was Pr. Edward. Who was the third?
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:13 PM
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Sorry if this question has been addressed in words or pictures. I can't find it in a quick look.
The second set of 3 royals who placed wreathes. I recognized Pr. Anne, but couldn't see who the other 2 were. I assume one was Pr. Edward. Who was the third?
Two prince Edward's
Earl of Wessex (youngest son of QEII) and Duke of Kent (cousin of QEII)
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:14 PM
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The third was the Duke of Kent
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:36 PM
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The third was the Duke of Kent
Presumably because his father was killed in WW2.
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:17 PM
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Presumably because his father was killed in WW2.


The Duke of Kent served in the British Army for 21 years. He has multiple honorary colonelships in the British Army most famously the Scots Guards.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:14 PM
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Presumably because his father was killed in WW2.
Or for himself. Unlike Anne and Edward, he has actively served.

The Duke served in the Royal Scots Greys, after graduating Sandhurst in 1955. He served both in Hong Kong and on peace keeping mission in Cyprus. In the 70's he also served in Northern Ireland. He retired in 1976, but as other royals, got promotions post retirement (honorary). He was made a field marshal in 1993.

Honorary he is colonel in chief of the fusiliers, deputy colonel in chief of the dragoon guards, and colonel of the scots guards and the rifles.

Those who have actively served (and not simply honorary positions):
-Prince Philip- royal navy (WWII)
-Prince Charles-royal navy
-Prince Harry- blues and royals (Afghanistan)
-Prince William- RAF but also trained blues and royals, and navy
-Prince Andrew- royal navy (Falkland wars)
-Duke of Kent- scot grays (Hong Kong, Cyprus, Northern Ireland)
-Tim Lawrence- navy (Northern Ireland, NATO Bosnia)
-Earl of Ulster- royal hussars (Iraq, Northern Ireland, Kosovo)
-Prince Michael- royal hussars (Germany, Hong Kong, Cyprus)
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:20 PM
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We’re used to William in his RAF uniform but he holds substantive ranks in the army and navy as well. Looks good.

Royal Wedding: Prince William will wear a military uniform created by Gieves & Hawkes for the royal wedding - hellomagazine.com
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:08 PM
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Also, while Charles served in the navy he holds honorary positions in other branches. On this occasion he wore his RAF uniform as Marshal of the Royal Air Force.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:35 AM
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Sorry if this has been asked before, what uniform is Edward wearing?
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He is wearing the dress uniform of the royal Wessex Yeomanry. He has been honorary colonel since 2007 (around the same time he started taking part in wreath and not up in balcony).

Once again Edward has got criticism for wearing an uniform when he dropped out. I know all royals have honorary positions, and I don't criticize them wearing them at official events such as this, but I do like when the focus is on their actual positions. I get William and Charles have to wear their senior uniforms at times, but I prefer them in their RAF and Navy, the units they actually served in.

It would be nice one year if we didn't just see the senior royals down there. But the ones who actively served. Its the one day that service should take precedence IMO over seniority. Tim should be down there, and even the Earl of Ulster would be nice to see with the family.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:49 AM
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Or for himself. Unlike Anne and Edward, he has actively served.

The Duke served in the Royal Scots Greys, after graduating Sandhurst in 1955. He served both in Hong Kong and on peace keeping mission in Cyprus. In the 70's he also served in Northern Ireland. He retired in 1976, but as other royals, got promotions post retirement (honorary). He was made a field marshal in 1993.

Honorary he is colonel in chief of the fusiliers, deputy colonel in chief of the dragoon guards, and colonel of the scots guards and the rifles.

Those who have actively served (and not simply honorary positions):
-Prince Philip- royal navy (WWII)
-Prince Charles-royal navy
-Prince Harry- blues and royals (Afghanistan)
-Prince William- RAF but also trained blues and royals, and navy
-Prince Andrew- royal navy (Falkland wars)
-Duke of Kent- scot grays (Hong Kong, Cyprus, Northern Ireland)
-Tim Lawrence- navy (Northern Ireland, NATO Bosnia)
-Earl of Ulster- royal hussars (Iraq, Northern Ireland, Kosovo)
-Prince Michael- royal hussars (Germany, Hong Kong, Cyprus)
Charles also served in the RAF from which he gained his wings in 1971 before he moved across to the navy from which he earnt his commission.

William was commissioned into the army from Sandhurst and served with the Blues and Royals to begin with but when told there was no way he was going to serve on the frontline he was able to use a loophole to transfer to the RAF (due to his eyesight he could never have gone directly into the RAF as a pilot but having gained his commission with the army he was able to transfer).
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:51 AM
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He is wearing the dress uniform of the royal Wessex Yeomanry. He has been honorary colonel since 2007 (around the same time he started taking part in wreath and not up in balcony).

Once again Edward has got criticism for wearing an uniform when he dropped out. I know all royals have honorary positions, and I don't criticize them wearing them at official events such as this, but I do like when the focus is on their actual positions. I get William and Charles have to wear their senior uniforms at times, but I prefer them in their RAF and Navy, the units they actually served in.

It would be nice one year if we didn't just see the senior royals down there. But the ones who actively served. Its the one day that service should take precedence IMO over seniority. Tim should be down there, and even the Earl of Ulster would be nice to see with the family.
Neither Tim nor the Earl of Ulster are royal though and so they have no place there. Tim is only on the balcony because of whom he married and not for any other reason and the Earl of Ulster - like the Earl Downpatrick is not royal. When the succeed to their Dukedoms on the deaths of their fathers the titles will cease to be royal dukedoms and in the order of precedence they will drop into the line based on date of creation of the dukedom while now it is on the fact that their fathers are male line grandsons of a monarch.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:59 AM
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Charles also served in the RAF from which he gained his wings in 1971 before he moved across to the navy from which he earnt his commission.

William was commissioned into the army from Sandhurst and served with the Blues and Royals to begin with but when told there was no way he was going to serve on the frontline he was able to use a loophole to transfer to the RAF (due to his eyesight he could never have gone directly into the RAF as a pilot but having gained his commission with the army he was able to transfer).
There is a difference between training with and active service. Yes William was with the blues and royals when he left Sandhurst but he never actively served, he transferred to the RAF as you stated. Similar with Charles, he trained at the RAF college but as soon as he passed out, he moved on to the navy which is where he did his service.

I was pointing out in my list where the royals had Actively served.
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Old 11-14-2017, 02:04 AM
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Neither Tim nor the Earl of Ulster are royal though and so they have no place there. Tim is only on the balcony because of whom he married and not for any other reason and the Earl of Ulster - like the Earl Downpatrick is not royal. When the succeed to their Dukedoms on the deaths of their fathers the titles will cease to be royal dukedoms and in the order of precedence they will drop into the line based on date of creation of the dukedom while now it is on the fact that their fathers are male line grandsons of a monarch.
Kate is only up on the balcony due to who she married. Same with Camilla, Philip and Sophie. So I don't get your comment about Tim.

They may not be 'royal' but they are members of the family. And this is not a 'royal family event'. This is a military event celebrating the bravery and often sacrifice of veterans. Having members of the family, royal or not, who actively served in the military, being involved in a military ceremony seems right.

Tim often does. He has attended many of the war memorials on the continent. He serves on the board of war graves commission. The only reason he isn't down there is because he is married to a daughter not to a son of the royal family.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:37 AM
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The only reason he isn't down there is because he is married to a daughter not to a son of the royal family.
I hardly believe he'd be down there even if he was married to a prince instead of Anne.

Jokes aside it would be interesting to see what would happen if one of the princes married a lady who was or had been in active service. Would she be partaking in the laying of wreaths?
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Kate is only up on the balcony due to who she married. Same with Camilla, Philip and Sophie. So I don't get your comment about Tim.

They may not be 'royal' but they are members of the family. And this is not a 'royal family event'. This is a military event celebrating the bravery and often sacrifice of veterans. Having members of the family, royal or not, who actively served in the military, being involved in a military ceremony seems right.

Tim often does. He has attended many of the war memorials on the continent. He serves on the board of war graves commission. The only reason he isn't down there is because he is married to a daughter not to a son of the royal family.
Or to put it another way, he would have been standing next to his wife on the balcony in the not so distant past before Anne struck a blow for royal women and started wearing a man's uniform and riding in the trooping of the colour and laying her own wreaths on Remembrance Day.
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William is a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy. He served onboard HMS Iron Duke doing drug interdictions with the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean.

He missed Lady Rose Gelman’s wedding because of it.

William has some honorary ranks and positions. Most see him riding during Trooping the Colour but he’s also an Army Major, RAF Squadron Leader and Lieutenant Commander in the Navy. None are honorary.

But he clearly views himself as a pilot and rightly so. He took part 156 missions before leaving the RAF
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:32 AM
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Kate is only up on the balcony due to who she married. Same with Camilla, Philip and Sophie. So I don't get your comment about Tim.

They may not be 'royal' but they are members of the family. And this is not a 'royal family event'. This is a military event celebrating the bravery and often sacrifice of veterans. Having members of the family, royal or not, who actively served in the military, being involved in a military ceremony seems right.

Tim often does. He has attended many of the war memorials on the continent. He serves on the board of war graves commission. The only reason he isn't down there is because he is married to a daughter not to a son of the royal family.
Kate, Camilla, Sophie and Philip though are royal. Tim isn't. Quite simple really. Notice though that the women, even though royal, don't lay wreaths but, like Anne's husband are on the balconies.

If a person has HRH they are royal. If they don't have it they aren't royal and only royals lay wreaths so Tim is on the balcony even though he served while his wife, who never spent a day in the military, lays a wreath because she is royal.

Being royal isn't determined by relationship to the monarch but by the styles they have. Both Princesses Margaret and Anne have made that very clear in relation to their own children 'my children aren't royal - they just have The Queen as aunt/grandmother'. If Anne and Margaret can identify that their family isn't royal even though they are close relatives of the Queen that is a good enough definition for me.
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Neither Tim nor the Earl of Ulster are royal though and so they have no place there. Tim is only on the balcony because of whom he married and not for any other reason and the Earl of Ulster - like the Earl Downpatrick is not royal. When the succeed to their Dukedoms on the deaths of their fathers the titles will cease to be royal dukedoms and in the order of precedence they will drop into the line based on date of creation of the dukedom while now it is on the fact that their fathers are male line grandsons of a monarch.
Earl of St. Andrews is the Duke of Kent's eldest son, Baron Downpatrick is the Earl's son just as the Earl of Ulster is the Duke of Gloucester's son and Baron Culloden is his son. No Earl Downpatrick in the family.
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There is a difference between training with and active service. Yes William was with the blues and royals when he left Sandhurst but he never actively served, he transferred to the RAF as you stated. Similar with Charles, he trained at the RAF college but as soon as he passed out, he moved on to the navy which is where he did his service.



I was pointing out in my list where the royals had Actively served.


Small correction - William did serve with the Blues and Royals after he graduated Sandhurst. He spent 2007 as officer with them. 2008 he did his stints in the RAF getting his wings and Royal Navy before then transferring to RAF to become SAR pilot.
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