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Old 11-26-2018, 06:06 PM
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Its this kind of information (or, for a better word, misinformation) that gives credence to just why the Sussexes and the Cambridges go out of their way to keep anything that isn't "official" or "public" duty and engagements to themselves.

Personally, I'd feel intruded upon should things that are strictly my family things be in all the papers the next day and the papers doing their best to put a negative slant on things. I don't need to see Harry and Meghan interacting with the Cambridge kids. I've watched Harry for years with kids and recently, Harry and Meghan with kids and I don't need an overactive imagination to picture how they'd interact with Will's kids.

I know in my heart that the press and "sources" aren't to be believed when they give the low down on familial relationships within the House of Windsor. They may get a glimpse here and there just as we do sometimes but they'll never, ever see the whole picture.
I agree with all of this. A sibling squabble overheard by staff becomes a rift; Harry and Meghan moving to a larger house in an area they love is because Meghan and Catherine can't get along; Meghan writing emails early in the morning becomes a story about how demanding she is, etc. Outsiders looking in never have the full picture about relationships in any family, never mind a family as private as the Windsors, but that apparently doesn't stop them from making some money off of sharing their opinions. Even someone like Wendy Barry who wrote about her time as the housekeeper at Highgrove was able to come up with very, very little that was shocking, and that was someone who actually had fairly intimate access to Charles, Diana, Sarah, Andrew, Harry and William, and so on.

So most of this gossip gets a big shrug from me. Time will tell if any of it has any validity, but I've been watching the royals long enough to know that roughly 10% of the gossip that is printed later turns out to have some truth in it, but when it does (such as Charles and Diana's troubles) it's big and hard to hide.

We'll see, but for now, I'm putting all these bits and pieces on the back burner, waiting for more information to validate it or debunk it.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:24 PM
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Well we have this lovely article by Camilla Tominey

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...breaking-point

So according to her -- Meghan made Kate cry. The Queen likes Meghan but had to put her in her place. Palace staff think the Sussexes won't last 5 years. Charles is extremely fond of Meghan and is not close at all to William.

That is a lot of information there.

Having read the article as well, I can say that according to article the alleged incident between Meghan and Catherine took place in the weeks prior to the Sussex wedding at a fitting for Charlotte's bridesmaid dress. Meghan was understandably under some strain regarding wedding details including her father's attendance. Meanwhile Catherine had just given birth to Louis which is not the easiest time in any new mother's life. To be honest, I believe that this is just a tiff that happened during a stressful period for both women. I'm just sorry for both that this is now in the papers.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:27 PM
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It's interesting that what he recently said on Royal Rota. His one line about Harry led to all the drama about tiara. However, he said he's never heard from his sources about the tiara drama and had no idea what the quote was said in reference to. Something smells bad here...

That Telegraph article is behind a paywall. Can someone just give me a quick recap?
What I posted about summed it up. Also mention that Eugenie was upset the Sussexes didn't attend her big party after the wedding. Said Charles and Harry have grown closer. Meghan is a demanding boss who doesn't understand what works in Hollywood doesn't work at Buckingham Palace. It basically hit every rumor that has been swirling.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:41 PM
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What I posted about summed it up. Also mention that Eugenie was upset the Sussexes didn't attend her big party after the wedding. Said Charles and Harry have grown closer. Meghan is a demanding boss who doesn't understand what works in Hollywood doesn't work at Buckingham Palace. It basically hit every rumor that has been swirling.
I see. As for Eugenie being upset, I find that funny. Any reasonable adult might be disappointed they can’t come to everything, but would certainly understand given she’s pregnant and about to start a major tour that would grueling on anyone. So I’m finding it hard to believe that Eugenie would be upset.

What I don’t understand about this demanding boss business is that A) is BP or KP or whoever they are talking to used to a much slower pace than Hollywood? And B) who are those people that are supposedly upset at this? Because Meghan’s closest aide since engagement has been Amy Pickerill, and she’s often looked pretty happy except when she has to step in when someone crosses a line. And what I want to know is if their sources are general palace staff or Sussex staff. Because why does it matter to anyone else how demanding Meghan is? What we know so far is that there hasn’t been any loss of staff that’s been confirmed. There is supposedly someone name Melissa that is so pivotal that we never heard of. And of course they try to blame ELF leaving and Samantha Cohen’s potential leave on Meghan even though those were in the works earlier and had nothing to do with Meghan. And Sam Cohen was announced as interim. Who know what will happen with that.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:43 PM
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What I posted about summed it up. Also mention that Eugenie was upset the Sussexes didn't attend her big party after the wedding. Said Charles and Harry have grown closer. Meghan is a demanding boss who doesn't understand what works in Hollywood doesn't work at Buckingham Palace. It basically hit every rumor that has been swirling.
Yes this summed up everything that I read as well in addition to the "incident" between Meghan and Catherine.


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Personally, I'd feel intruded upon should things that are strictly my family things be in all the papers the next day and the papers doing their best to put a negative slant on things

Yes I am regretting having clicked on the article in the first place. Every family has its less than happy moments when there is tension and stress. The Windsors and all of the families who have married into the BRF are no exception.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:43 PM
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I would hope that Eugenie would have been a bit more understanding about the couple attending her party considering that Harry/Meghan had to fly off for a major tour within hours on the other side of the world.

Eugenie has always been close to Harry and strikes me as being a very easy-going person, so that story doesn't really ring true for me. Anyway, wasn't she supposed to be distraught that the baby news was disclosed at her wedding, according to tabloid rumour? Wouldn't have thought she would want them there in that case! Honestly!

Actually, I did read somewhere at the time (not in an anti-Meghan Twitter) that the parents of one bridesmaid at the May wedding were panicky beforehand because the little girl's dress had been sent late by the designers and was about two sizes too big. They had to rush a dressmaker in to re-fit it. So I can understand fraught nerves if the same thing happened with Charlotte.

There was a person who was on the support Communications staff at KP with the first name of Melissa, who left earlier this year. She may have been taken on as extra staff in the run-up to the May wedding.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:47 PM
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Honestly, the only person I can tolerate crying in that situation would be Meghan. Anyone else would get a side eye for it. However, given that she didn’t see her own veil until either the day before or the day of, I doubt it. I think it was Zallie Warren if I remembered correctly.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:08 PM
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I would hope that Eugenie would have been a bit more understanding about the couple attending her party considering that Harry/Meghan had to fly off for a major tour within hours on the other side of the world.

Eugenie has always been close to Harry and strikes me as being a very easy-going person, so that story doesn't really ring true for me. Anyway, wasn't she supposed to be distraught that the baby news was disclosed at her wedding, according to tabloid rumour? Wouldn't have thought she would want them there in that case! Honestly!

Actually, I did read somewhere at the time (not in an anti-Meghan Twitter) that the parents of one bridesmaid at the May wedding were panicky beforehand because the little girl's dress had been sent late by the designers and was about two sizes too big. They had to rush a dressmaker in to re-fit it. So I can understand fraught nerves if the same thing happened with Charlotte.

There was a person who was on the support Communications staff at KP with the first name of Melissa, who left earlier this year. She may have been taken on as extra staff in the run-up to the May wedding.

Hmmm...two stressed brides-to-be who would be facing the cameras for their televised royal weddings. Throw into the mix one new mother. Yes I believe that there would be a couple of "incidents" even if these were among private citizens and not the Windsors.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:12 PM
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There’s a full attack on the Duchess of Sussex going on. The media feel there’s no room to like both Duchesses. They want a divide. You either like this Duchess or this Duchess, but not both.

This is not pictures of these couples at odds with each other-
http://hrh-theduchessofsussex.tumblr...-november-2018

http://hrh-theduchessofsussex.tumblr...-wales-and-his
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:28 PM
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There are some (people, press, etc.) who like to create issues when there are none. Remember Diana vs. Anne, Catherine vs. Beatrice & Eugenie, etc. I am sure there are those who have been around before and can say at one point there might have been a Margaret vs someone (Brigitte, Katherine, Princess Michael of Kent).

I am not saying that everyone is besties but it is NOT necessary to say that one hates the other one. Let's face it, it doesn't' matter who Harry married...at some point there was going to be a Catherine vs Meghan/Cressida/Chelsy etc.

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Old 11-26-2018, 07:32 PM
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Folks need to stop getting sucked into these media created/hyped/distorted stories.


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Say, did you hear about the bad blood between Princess Charlotte and Mia Tindall? Tears were shed, and there were harsh words over disputed ownership of a broken toy. No? Neither did I.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:47 PM
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Agree with you 100% and we all should know by now that the media is out for one thing only....MONEY and all this drama creates money in their pockets. The more drama, lies and gossip the more money for them and stress for everyone else. We will never if ever see the family behind closed doors doing their own thing as none of our lives is open to the public, so why should theirs be open for all to see. This is much ado about nothing it seems to me...
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:13 PM
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Agree with you 100% and we all should know by now that the media is out for one thing only....MONEY and all this drama creates money in their pockets. The more drama, lies and gossip the more money for them and stress for everyone else. We will never if ever see the family behind closed doors doing their own thing as none of our lives is open to the public, so why should theirs be open for all to see. This is much ado about nothing it seems to me...

We are in total agreement.


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Old 11-26-2018, 08:30 PM
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Honestly, the only person I can tolerate crying in that situation would be Meghan. Anyone else would get a side eye for it.
I don't see why anyone should get the side-eye for crying. Its a natural emotion and we have no way of knowing what others were going through.

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There are some (people, press, etc.) who like to create issues when there are none. Remember Diana vs. Anne, Catherine vs. Beatrice & Eugenie, etc. I am sure there are those who have been around before and can say at one point there might have been a Margaret vs someone (Brigitte, Katherine, Princess Michael of Kent).

I am not saying that everyone is besties but it is NOT necessary to say that one hates the other one. Let's face it, it doesn't' matter who Harry married...at some point there was going to be a Catherine vs Meghan/Cressida/Chelsy etc.

Drama = Click Bait.
Yep.

There was also Sophie vs Diana - there were actually articles that claimed that Sophie was copying Diana. Then there was Fergie vs Diana and Camilla vs Kate. Also let's not forget that when William/Kate and Harry/Chelsy were dating, we got all kinds of speculation about how Chelsy and Kate hated each other. So this is not about "attacking" Meghan, this is just how the media operates. There will always be stories about the relationships between members of the royal family. Heck we have an entire thread dedicated to it.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:39 PM
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There are some (people, press, etc.) who like to create issues when there are none. Remember Diana vs. Anne, Catherine vs. Beatrice & Eugenie, etc. I am sure there are those who have been around before and can say at one point there might have been a Margaret vs someone (Brigitte, Katherine, Princess Michael of Kent).

I am not saying that everyone is besties but it is NOT necessary to say that one hates the other one. Let's face it, it doesn't' matter who Harry married...at some point there was going to be a Catherine vs Meghan/Cressida/Chelsy etc.

Drama = Click Bait.
It was Margaret vs. Princess Michael (and, according to the rumor mill, Princess Michael vs. Diana and Margaret vs. Diana). According to a book I read Princess Michael thought that Margaret nearly killed one of her cats in a campaign to annihilate the KP squirrels.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:22 PM
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I think its important to not do what Tominey clearly wants which is to conflate things. Here is the quote:

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But the talk of a growing froideur between Kate and Meghan really ramped up following rumours of an apparent falling out between the pair in the run up to the Sussexes’ wedding in May.

The Telegraph has spoken to two separate sources who claim Kate was left in tears following a bridesmaids dress fitting for Princess Charlotte.

“Kate had only just given birth to Prince Louis and was feeling quite emotional,” said one insider.
Two things: the quote insinuates but doesn't actually say that Meghan made Kate cry. 2) It isn't even clear Meghan was at the fitting from the quote. Meghan wouldn't have needed to be a dress fitting for her future niece in law per se.

But let's say Meghan was there. Who is to say something she did made Kate cry? Maybe Charlotte was throwing a strop or maybe Kate was just sleep deprived? My sister would randomly break down in tears after the birth of my nephew (also her third kid) last year because she was so tired and ANY little thing could set her off. I do mean anything. Plus, weddings can bring out the worst in people. My best friend got married two summers ago. She is the kindest person but we got into because she was being unreasonable after a bit. Everyone calmed down, moved on and laughed about it! No big deal.

But that isn't the point of this "story." Papers know that readers rarely do close reads so all you have to do is put two things in close proximity and voila! Meghan made Kate cry.
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Let's keep the discussion on relationships between members of the BRF, and not stray into discussing whether Meghan is demanding, rude to staff, opinionated, etc. If you want to discuss that DM article, you can do so in M&H's general news thread.
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I agree with everyone that the tab media is in overboard negativity mode as they try to stir something up re the royal ladies, and none of this is new. During Meghan/Harry courtship, there were laughable made-up stories about Camilla trying to break up M&H. Far from likely, and I doubt that Camilla was against Kate either, as has also been gossiped in the past. Tripe and clickbait. It's annoying too because it will only make the royals even less willing to share their lives with true fans.
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I agree with you. I never believed that Harry and William were all that close and this was long before Meghan was a blip on their radar. Harry played the third wheel because it was required. He had little choice so he smiled and went along with it. Now he no longer has to and seems to very happy about it. Who can blame him? He has his own family now. He can attend things with his own wife instead of tagging along with the Cambridges.

That is not to say there is this over the top drama the press are trying to play up. These are grown people with their own lives. It is only natural. They will come together for work and family events like most people do. Nothing wrong with that. It doesn't have to be more than that.
I disagree with your highlighted comment in response to Heather's and miss whirley's beliefs that the brothers aren't close. I believe, and it's also been stated by those who have witnessed their interactions over the years that William and Harry are close. Their mother's death only made the bond between them deeper. Being close as brothers does not mean there isn't any sibling rivalry because there is that as well, but it's friendly sibling rivalry. In fact, it's known that they enjoy teasing each other and have been known to do it quite often. One royal reporter said that Harry had fun teasing William for losing his hair, but then Harry had to tone it down when his own hair began thinning.

Watch the below video and see how close they are and how they've enjoyed teasing each other over the years. I think it was not easy for Harry growing up as a youngster to see William favored as being in line for the throne. But their parents helped ease those tensions by treating both boys as individuals with their own special worth, not tied to their status as royals.


Quite obviously things are changing in an organic and not unexpected way as both young men have matured and are raising their own families. Plus, they've always had different personalities. As the fab four indicated at the Royal Foundation forum in February, they do indeed have disagreements. But as Harry laughingly emphasized, "We work things out... we're stuck with each other for life." Each couple will have their equal share of royal-related work, and it will be William & Kate who will take on the enormous task one day of becoming King and Queen Consort.

In the interim, there's a lot of interest in Meghan and Harry right now, and their personalities are much more outgoing, while William and Kate are more low-key and understated. Simply because a huge spotlight is being placed on Harry & Meghan and they received huge popular coverage on their recent tour, it shouldn't be a cause of tension between the couples. If in fact there are such tensions, M&H are simply being themselves, and should not be blamed for receiving popular coverage in the media.

There are certainly efforts being made by some journalists, in the aftermath of the positive tour coverage, to suddenly portray Meghan and Harry in a negative light. Whatever is actually going on behind the scenes, I don't think it's overly contentious. In fact, there may be nothing of a serious divisive nature happening at all. Regarding all the media brouhaha, this too shall pass.
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