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Old 09-07-2018, 05:35 AM
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The Castle of Mey Trust is actually a Scottish charitable organization of which Charles is currently the president. Harry taking on this role would be the same as taking over any role his father has in his philanthropic work. There would be no financial gain whatsoever.

The Castle of Mey is not in the royal family's holdings but has been deeded in trust.

https://www.castleofmey.org.uk/about...trust/overview

BTW: When Charles stays there, he rents the place.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:47 PM
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Here's a lovely little article about Charles - and his relationship with William and Harry. There's nothing new, but I still enjoy reading things like this, especially when so much of the media seems out for blood.



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In the not-too-distant future we will witness the dawn of a new sovereignty and the newly crowned King Charles III will be flanked by sons who love and respect him. I dare say there’s no-one he would rather be supported by as he prepares to embark on his most challenging role to date.
This is one of my favorite photos; I don't think I've seen this one before.

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Old 09-23-2018, 04:19 PM
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Relationship Between Royal siblings

As we all know how close Prince William and Prince Harry are. And how Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are inseparable. But about their parents?. How is the relationship between Queen Elizabeth's four children? I read that Prince Charles and Princess Anne were never close. In childhood, a more extrovert Anne used to overshadow Charles who was more reserved. Also, Prince Philip's more attachment towards Anne was a wedge between the siblings. Since Andrew and Edward had a quite age gap with their older siblings I don't think they've interacted much with them as children. What're your thoughts
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:40 PM
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Charles wrote "The Old Man of Lochnagar" to amuse his younger brothers, Andrew and Edward, when they were small. I always found this touching.

https://www.amazon.com/Old-Lochnagar...n+of+Lochnagar
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:34 PM
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I do find it interesting that all of the Queen's grandchildren seem quite close to their siblings - Harry & Wills, Zara & Peter, Beatrice & Eugenie certainly maintain close relationships as adults when it would be easier for them to drift apart if they didn't want to stay close. Of course Louise & James may well be close but as children it can be hard to tell IMO.
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Old 09-23-2018, 07:14 PM
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I've always read the opposite about Charles and Anne's closeness, in spite of their personalities being completely different in many ways, and Anne being very rumbunctious when they were children.

I think with Charles and his other siblings there was this huge age gap of well over a decade. He was away at school while Andrew and Edward were very young, and none of the three brothers seem to have much in common as adults. Whereas Anne was a mere two years younger than Charles and there were all these childhood memories of being together, visits to their grandmother's when she was still reasonably young etc.

That forms a bond, not something you necessarily have with siblings who are eleven and a half and over fifteen years younger than you. That's not to say that Anne and Charles are exceptionally close as adults but there are closer bonds, I'd say, than with the others. The Queen really had two separate little families.
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Old 09-23-2018, 07:56 PM
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That is a good point. Two separate little families that Charles book bridges.

I always think it is too easy to get suckered into believing that none of them particularly like each other and don't spend time together. By sheer dint of repetition we are bombarded by media speculation couched as fact. The same goes for the relationship between the kids and their parents.
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Old 10-18-2018, 03:55 PM
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I’m always reading about how the Queen and Philip - especially Philip - have no faith in Charles as a future monarch. Do you guys think that there is merit to that? I love them both, but I also love Charles, and it would hurt to know that his parents don’t believe in him. I know they’ve always had a strained relationship, but they always look happy when they’re together - and I’d like to think that even if father and son don’t see eye to eye on much of anything, that they have an an at least decent relationship now.

On another note, I thought this was interesting ...


https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...uke-of-Windsor

I remember as a kid that I thought Edward VIII/Wallis Simpson was the most romantic thing ever, but as I grew older, I realized that it was anything but. I know the Queen always did maintain affection for her uncle, and I find it interesting that Charles reached out to him...
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:08 PM
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While I do feel that the father/son relationship between Philip and Charles was a strained one, I also think it was because they were two totally different kind of people. Philip was very much a man's man whereas his son was more sensitive and introverted so it was hard for them to understand each other.

I've never felt that either the Queen or the Duke of Edinburgh ever had any doubts on Charles' abilities when it was preparing him to be the future monarch. Charles takes after both parents in having a strong sense of duty and responsibility to the role he's been put into. I don't think there is a man that has ever been more prepared to be a monarch than Charles.

As things stand right now, I would bet my last pretzel stick that HM, The Queen is breathing easier and relaxing a bit more in her golden years knowing that everything is how it should be for Charles' reign and the "Firm" is going ahead strong and steady. That's got to be a source of peace of mind for both HM and the DoE.
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Old 10-19-2018, 01:56 AM
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I’m always reading about how the Queen and Philip - especially Philip - have no faith in Charles as a future monarch. Do you guys think that there is merit to that? I love them both, but I also love Charles, and it would hurt to know that his parents don’t believe in him. I know they’ve always had a strained relationship, but they always look happy when they’re together - and I’d like to think that even if father and son don’t see eye to eye on much of anything, that they have an an at least decent relationship now.

On another note, I thought this was interesting ...


https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...uke-of-Windsor

I remember as a kid that I thought Edward VIII/Wallis Simpson was the most romantic thing ever, but as I grew older, I realized that it was anything but. I know the Queen always did maintain affection for her uncle, and I find it interesting that Charles reached out to him...
I would be very careful of stories about the way the Queen feels about her heir and his ability.

We do know that she has said publicly that she is very proud of his work as Prince of Wales and she is hosting a massive party for his 70th birthday.

If she has any doubts about his ability to be King then some of the blame for that has to fall to her as that means she didn't train him properly to do the job - and that is a major part of her job.

She has ensured that he sees the red boxes each day and has done for year, she has given him many honours over the years, has made his wife a member of the Privy Council ... all signs she thinks he is ready to step up when the time comes.

Many of the reporters who make these sorts of claims do so for their own ends and not because they actually know anything at all.

In the end we really don't know what she thinks about Charles' and his ability to do the job but we do know he will be King unless she has to bury her own first born child (and sadly there are many people out there in the cyberworld who want her to have to do exactly that).
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Old 10-19-2018, 04:03 AM
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Bertie (I love your name because I love Bertie also; he’s my favorite)...great points.

It’s weird how the media almost wants Charles and his parents to have a bad relationship, how they want them to dismiss their son and prefer William. It seems to me that the media can’t or won’t distinguish between disagreeing with (ie: if indeed Philip disagrees with the direction Charles may take with the monarchy) and being skeptical of his abilities. One thing they must take comfort in is that their son has a profound sense of duty - he’s proved it over and over again throughout his life.

The Queen clearly feels comfortable giving Charles more of the duties that she used to take on, so that’s also significant.

Isn’t that horrible ? Those are the same people who think Charles wants to be king so much that he’s hoping his mama dies.

Just as an aside - you’re mentioning the Queen’s training of Charles makes me think of how her beloved father trained her, and how she modleled her reign after him. Sorry, lol - I just really love George VI and I get sentimental about the father/daughter relationship.

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While I do feel that the father/son relationship between Philip and Charles was a strained one, I also think it was because they were two totally different kind of people. Philip was very much a man's man whereas his son was more sensitive and introverted so it was hard for them to understand each other.

I've never felt that either the Queen or the Duke of Edinburgh ever had any doubts on Charles' abilities when it was preparing him to be the future monarch. Charles takes after both parents in having a strong sense of duty and responsibility to the role he's been put into. I don't think there is a man that has ever been more prepared to be a monarch than Charles.

As things stand right now, I would bet my last pretzel stick that HM, The Queen is breathing easier and relaxing a bit more in her golden years knowing that everything is how it should be for Charles' reign and the "Firm" is going ahead strong and steady. That's got to be a source of peace of mind for both HM and the DoE.
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:12 PM
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Sorry if this is "stirring the pot" again for some people, bu to me they're just facts. These are this week's cover of Point de Vue. I think Eugenie's wedding would have definitely made the cover. I'm sorry for her.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpCbjPAh...pointdevue_mag


I mean just two more days just to give Eugenie a tiny bit of attention? It was such a beautiful wedding! Now, go ahead...tell me to shut up...
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Funny I have just been replaying some bits of the wedding and I agree and most people I know do too. We are very excited for the baby news but the timing for the announcement is a bit off .

Baby news or not, the Australian tour was going to be the news of the day. The wedding was over and done.
Eugenie knew when the Invictus Games were when she chose her wedding date. Maybe she chose that date so attention would move quickly from her family back to others.

Edited to add-I moved the OP and my response to this thread about relationships since it seems to be about rivalry. It wasn't about her wedding dress.
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:40 PM
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Bertie (I love your name because I love Bertie also; he’s my favorite)...great points.

It’s weird how the media almost wants Charles and his parents to have a bad relationship, how they want them to dismiss their son and prefer William. It seems to me that the media can’t or won’t distinguish between disagreeing with (ie: if indeed Philip disagrees with the direction Charles may take with the monarchy) and being skeptical of his abilities. One thing they must take comfort in is that their son has a profound sense of duty - he’s proved it over and over again throughout his life.

The Queen clearly feels comfortable giving Charles more of the duties that she used to take on, so that’s also significant.

Isn’t that horrible ? Those are the same people who think Charles wants to be king so much that he’s hoping his mama dies.

Just as an aside - you’re mentioning the Queen’s training of Charles makes me think of how her beloved father trained her, and how she modleled her reign after him. Sorry, lol - I just really love George VI and I get sentimental about the father/daughter relationship.



I couldn’t agree more !
I totally think you are right in what you say but what's always confused me is why the royals fight so hard to maintain their position. I mean, we are always being told what an awful life it is for them and they only do it because it's their duty. Wouldn't it be a relief then if the people decided to relieve them of their resposibilities?
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Old 10-20-2018, 03:56 PM
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I think the British royal family is basically the same as any family on this planet. No one has a life that is totally idyllic and custom fitted to be stress free, easy without challenges and we all have things we have to do that we really don't want to do.

Duty and responsibility and service to the people is the mainstay of the royal family and they're raised with this from birth. They may have the blessing of comfortable homes, good food when they want it but unlike the majority of the population that works for a living, they don't get paid and can't call in sick to work when there's a big game on the tube. It all balances out as our lives balance out. The royal family, with being so much in the public eye, have to live with the press forever pitting them against each other and painting them as stepping on each other climbing the royal ladder for attention. Its almost like watching a neverending episode of "Its A Royal Knockout" in a way. So much of their private relationships in the press are based on what the public see in their public lives. We have no clue of their interactions in private because the little bit of privacy that they *do* have, they hold onto like us common folks would hold onto a winning lottery ticket. Its precious.

No one stole Eugenie and Jack's thunder (and lightning and happiness and joy and all other kinds of things) on their wedding day. To Eugenie, the one person that mattered the most on that day was her Jack and vice versa. For all we know, private congratulations at a wedding reception for Harry and Meghan's good news may even have fueled an incentive for Eugenie and Jack on their honeymoon. Eugenie and Jack have been together for quite a long time and for all we know, they decided to marry at the point where they've decided that they were both ready for not only marriage, but also for family?

We can project likes and dislikes and feuds and quibbles on the various people of the BRF but the reality is that its exactly what we're doing. Projecting. We're not anywhere close to actually knowing these people but we feel we do because we follow their lives closely from year to year. That's why its stated that these people live in gilded, royal fishbowl. At least goldfish are oblivious of the odd living forms that exist outside of their habitat.
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A few posts have been deleted - let's stick to relationships between members of the RF who have actually met each other (and are alive...).
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Old 10-23-2018, 04:19 PM
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I don’t think Eugenie would have felt Harry and Meghan stole her thunder in any way by their announcement. Meghan already looks noticeably pregnant, so, if nothing else, they couldn’t have hid the pregnancy any longer even if they’d wanted to.

I also think the whole idea of someone upstaging another person or stealing their thunder misrepresents what the royal family is about. They’re a family, yes, but they’re also essentially a huge family business with a clear hierarchy and succession plan. Eugenie had a lovely wedding, (actually much nicer than Harry’s, IMO), but when it comes to official royal life Harry is more important than Eugenie and that’s just the way it is. Similarly, Harry is less important than William - and this will only get more obvious as time goes on - and that’s also just how things are. The royals involved will have been brought up knowing all this and, if they’re smart, will guide their respective spouses accordingly.

I actually think those in Eugenie’s position - grandchildren of the monarch but not the children of the heir - have the best deal of the lot. Plenty of perks but also plenty of freedom.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:56 AM
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I just read the loveliest article, and thought I’d post the link. Maybe William and Harry don’t talk about their pa a lot, but it’s clear how much they love him. It sounds perhaps like William might take on some of Charles’ duties ? I admit I teared up a bit, but I also cracked up because I completely identify with their being OCD about lights, lol.

Oh, and even though it wasn’t mentioned in this article, I still all warm and fuzzy about how George and Charlotte call their grandpa “grandpa Wales”.

I’m crossing my fingers that the Charles at 70 documentary will eventually air in the States...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...grandchildren/
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Bringing this conversation over from the thread about the new Prince Charles documentary (which is available on Youtube). The below post is more about relationships between the royals than specifically about the documentary:

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To be clear, I’m not saying Harry is NOT like his mom, but I’m just saying I wouldn’t be so quick to say he’s like Diana and not Charles in being affectionate. In fact, with all the PDA with Meghan, people has always said he’s affectionate because he’s like his mother. But reality is that PoW is also very affectionate with Camilla. They even kissed goodbye in Ireland as they left separately to go to different engagements after a joint engagement. People aren’t really interested, so it doesn’t get reported, but PoW and Camilla are actually quite affectionate and warm...
It definitely comes across how much in love Camilla and Prince Charles are and have always been, but I do not think any members of the royal family have been as demonstrably affectionate in public to the extent that Harry & Meghan have been. It's probably due in no small part to Meghan's naturally affectionate nature, which is also truthfully how Harry's personality is too, because of his mother's openly demonstrative displays of affection. Clearly Prince Charles has also been quite understanding, supportive and loving toward his sons, no question. But fathers and mothers are always uniquely different. Each individual brings something different to every relationship.

I think Harry now feels much more at ease, more relaxed, settled, mature and happy. I think he had been maturing all along, but when he met Meghan, everything simply fell into place for him. This is not simply because they fell in love, but because Meghan has a very giving, encouraging, upbeat, and optimistic nature. I know this chiefly from what I've read that Meghan has written, what's been written about her, what I've seen of her in interviews and speeches, and witnessed on her Instagram (especially all of the inspirational quotes and words of wisdom she regularly posted).

Meghan is 'the one' whom Harry never thought he'd ever find -- someone willing and able to embrace him for himself, in addition to optimistically embracing the high profile rigors of life as a British royal. That she's also gorgeous, accomplished, kind, articulate and shares so many similar passions with him too, is likely much more than Harry probably ever dreamed of winning in a life partner. He hit the jackpot. And Meghan delightfully seems to feel the same way about Harry – she found a soul mate she never expected to meet.
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Meghan is 'the one' whom Harry never thought he'd ever find -- someone willing and able to embrace him for himself, in addition to optimistically embracing the high profile rigors of life as a British royal. That she's also gorgeous, accomplished, kind, articulate and shares so many similar passions with him too, is likely much more than Harry probably ever dreamed of winning in a life partner. He hit the jackpot. And Meghan delightfully seems to feel the same way about Harry – she found a soul mate she never expected to meet.
I hope for Harry's sake what you are suggesting is true, but I just don't believe any of us know what H&M are actually like. It is clear that Meghan is an intelligent and driven individual, and they are very much in love. But other than that, I really find it difficult to believe I know enough about them to believe Meghan is "someone willing and able to embrace him for himself"
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.... I really find it difficult to believe I know enough about them to believe Meghan is "someone willing and able to embrace him for himself"
Ummm, I am simply saying that from all the evidence I've seen and read, Meghan is a very supportive and caring person (there's documentation that she's been that way throughout her life in school and in her community growing up). Also, reportedly Harry was ready to settle down, and he had been a bit despondent about finding someone to marry. He had been turned down by two previous girlfriends, again according to reports. It is certainly true that he split up with those girlfriends, and there's reason to believe in both cases, the splits were precipitated by his girlfriends. We do know that both ladies (Chelsy and Cressida) wished to pursue career interests and they were unhappy with the 24/7 royal media attention, and especially with the photographers. Chelsy and Harry were quite young when they met. Harry was distracted by his military service and his general wild oats temptations, which was partly why he and Chelsy were on-again/ off-again over the course of their relationship. I have seen interviews in which Harry has visibly seemed subdued as he spoke of looking for the right person 'willing to take on him and the royal firm.' And he also mentioned having been bored growing up attending royal dinner parties (these words came directly from his own mouth during an interview in which he was asked what such dinner parties were like for him growing up).

Harry has also spoken in interviews that are still on Youtube about wanting to settle down and about trying to be patient with the process. He said in one interview he gave in 2012, soon after he and Chelsy had split for good, that he hoped to find someone whom he could get to know in private and become friends with out of the public eye. Four years later, Harry got his wish, and then some. He learned from the experience of his relationships with Chelsy and Cressida that he needed to protect any future relationship from OTT media coverage. That's a huge reason why he stopped the outrageous tabloid slams of Meghan in the DF's tracks. Harry was having NONE of that. The press release was unprecedented, and that's why followers of this royal romance had the feeling Harry's relationship with Meghan was very serious. The press release is how the relationship was publicly confirmed after being kept secret for at least four months. Even after the press release, H&M stayed private and under the radar because Harry was determined to not allow the media to influence what happened between him and Meghan.

We know from their engagement interview how M&H met; how they were immediately attracted to each other and found that they shared passionate interests; how Harry convinced Meghan to visit him in Africa 'under the stars' for five days; how they committed to making a long distance relationship work. I've read Meghan's former Instagram posts and seen numerous interviews, read some of her fomer Tig writing and other articles she's written. All of these sources provide great insight into who Meghan is. Of course, from the sidelines it's impossible to know anyone in the public eye intimately. We don't even truly know ourselves or our family members as much as we think we do. But to the extent possible, there's enough out there about Meghan to be able to gain some sense of who she is as a person. I believe Meghan is a positive, upbeat person who is encouraging toward other people. She's also very smart, savvy, articulate, no-nonsense, self-aware, admittedly ambitious, and a go-getter. She's clearly tough and determined, as well as kind and generous. I'm not guessing about these attributes either. These qualities are all quite obvious from reading Meghan's Instagram, seeing her interviews, her posts on the fomer Tig website, comments by people who know her intimately, the engagement interview, the royal wedding itself and all of the public interactions we've witnessed between M&H. What we don't know for sure are the detailed personal flaws and intimate personal interactions that surely would include inevitable disagreements and tensions that obviously occur in all families and in all intimate couple relationships.

My hands-on reading, research, and viewing of available interviews and documentaries leads me to believe that Harry has found in Meghan someone who is willing and able to take on him and the royal firm. Harry said in 2012 that's what he was looking for in a partner. Meghan is not afraid of cameras, quite the opposite. And she's already 'ticked the box' on her acting career. She was willing to give up a lot to marry her prince and to take on the challenge of a completely new life in a new country. Harry and Meghan are clearly 'over-the-moon' about each other, and they have mutually expressed their eagerness to move forward together as husband and wife and as royal partners in effecting change, and in assisting youth in Britain and throughout the Commonwealth.
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