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Old 06-08-2018, 02:13 AM
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Well my guess is that Meghan (now HRH the Duchess of Sussex) can actually charm anyone, including Princess Margaret if she was still alive. I also think that some of the portrayals and characterizations of Princess Margaret's peccadillos and personality do not take into account her positive attributes and her vulnerabilities.
That's a mater of opinion. Meghan hasn't charmed everyone, she certainly does not charm me.. and Margaret was fitful with people and erratic.. so I think its quite possible that Marg would find Meghan amusing one day and go sour on her the next..
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:30 PM
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Does Sarah, Duchess of York still keep in contact with The Queen? I know she tends to visit Balmoral over the summer. I don’t know if it’s a close relationship or if they just see each other occasionally.
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That's a mater of opinion. Meghan hasn't charmed everyone, she certainly does not charm me.. and Margaret was fitful with people and erratic.. so I think its quite possible that Marg would find Meghan amusing one day and go sour on her the next..
As you say, a matter of opinion. And in the case of Princess Margaret being charmed by the Duchess of Sussex, we'll never know for sure. That would take some miraculous bit of charming, beyond the grave.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:41 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Sarah sees the Queen every now and again besides the little Balmoral holidays. She was annoyed by Sarah's antics over the years, I'm sure, but I think she's always enjoyed her bouncy and cheerful nature. I don't know of course whether the Queen is a regular visitor to Royal Lodge to see her son and granddaughters. If she is then she probably sees Sarah several times a year.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:16 PM
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As you say, a matter of opinion. And in the case of Princess Margaret being charmed by the Duchess of Sussex, we'll never know for sure. That would take some miraculous bit of charming, beyond the grave.
obviously we are tlakng about her actually meeting Meghan. Its not beyond the rrealm of possibility that Margo could have still been around now and met her.. but I think on her record, she found people amusing at times and cooled on them and was haughty and arrogant. So I am not at all sure she'd approve of a senior royal marrying an actress...

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I wouldn't be surprised if Sarah sees the Queen every now and again besides the little Balmoral holidays. She was annoyed by Sarah's antics over the years, I'm sure, but I think she's always enjoyed her bouncy and cheerful nature. I don't know of course whether the Queen is a regular visitor to Royal Lodge to see her son and granddaughters. If she is then she probably sees Sarah several times a year.
If Sarah is there, and not off on her business trips. I think that the queen has forgiven Sarah, because she does not want alienation from her favourite son's ex and the mother of her grandchildren. But I doubt if Philip has accepted her ever again. I Don't think, in short htat the queen is best friends with Sarah, nowadays but she's friendly for the sake of her son and grand daughters..
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:42 PM
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obviously we are tlakng about her actually meeting Meghan. Its not beyond the rrealm of possibility that Margo could have still been around now and met her.. but I think on her record, she found people amusing at times and cooled on them and was haughty and arrogant. So I am not at all sure she'd approve of a senior royal marrying an actress...

But her daughter married an actor....
I realize Sarah Chatto is not technically royal, much less a senior royal but still.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:48 PM
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She is not a senior royal. She's a private individual. Harry is a senior royal and a working one..
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:23 AM
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To see them as grown men now is terrific and one of the sweetest moments in Harry and Meghan's wedding was Harry saying "thanks Pa" as [Charles] went to take his seat after escorting Meghan through the Quire.
Wasn't it, though? I agree. We are seeing mature relationships, forged through fire, and it's a relief (for this member of the public) after so many years of purported misalliance.

It's a curious sense of 'relief' to see Harry so well matched (transformed by love) and 'married off'. Charles has to be relieved that his sons are doing well after the turmoil of the past.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:40 PM
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But her daughter married an actor....
I realize Sarah Chatto is not technically royal, much less a senior royal but still.
I think you make an excellent point, as Princess Margaret herself had many artist and actor friends. It's also been said that Princess Margaret was an excellent mimic who had the talent to have pursued an acting career herself had she not been prevented that possibilty because of her royal status.

In any case, talk by posters of truly knowing what Princess Margaret's inner thoughts about Meghan might be are quite fanciful.

Re speculation of any kind as to how Princess Margaret might have interacted with Meghan, I base my opinions on Meghan's warm and generous personality, and on how she's been able to connect with and relate to most members of Harry's immediate and extended family. Again, we'll never know any of the intimate behind-palace-walls details. But from accounts by Prince Harry post Christmas festivities, Meghan has been warmly welcomed by all the royals, and she's fitting in amazingly well. We can see the evidence of how Meghan and the Duchess of Cornwall get along quite well. Indeed Meghan seems to have a relaxed camaraderie with both Camilla and QEII.
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:33 AM
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I don't think it is fanciful at all to note that Margaret while she liked arty people, was also very arrogant about her own royal status and that she was notorious for being friendly with people and THEN going "Im the sister of HM the queen" and expecting to be then treated as royal. So I would imagine that she might well be the same with Meghan, thinking her amusing at first and then feeling that she wasn't grand enough to marry into the top of the RF...
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:53 PM
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You know, HM is no dummy and she's certainly kept in the loop about public opinion, the impression of the monarchy, etc. and she and her team know how to play the game so I really have to wonder if yesterday's carriage procession at Ascot with the POW and the Duchess of Cornwall sharing a carriage with the Sisters York wasn't a calculated move by HM to help put to rest the rumors of discord between Charles and the Yorks. It would have been a simple matter to shift things around so that Andrew was with his daughters but instead the York girls were with Charles and Camilla and seemed to be having a lovely time of it.

I know that Charles often gets a bad rap when it comes to relationships with his siblings and/or nieces and nephews but I genuinely believe he has a much better relationship with them than we are led by the press to believe. If I'm not mistaken there have been pictures of him sharing a laugh with Peter, Zara, Beatrice, and Eugenie at various times. None that I can recall with Louise and James but I think that might be due more to age difference than anything else. Factor in that Louise was a part of the Cambridge wedding and there were some lovely pictures of the Cambridges and especially Catherine at the Olympics with Louise and I think they might well be closer than we all realize. Even looking at Edward's wedding, Edward was a fully grown, mid-30s age man when he married and could easily have asked only one of his brothers, a friend, or even a cousin (David, maybe) to stand with him but chose instead to ask both of his older brothers who happily filled those roles.

While we'll probably never know exactly what is said and done behind closed doors, I really believe that much of the image of Charles having poor relationships with siblings and their children is fabricated. Anyway, it was lovely to see the York girls and now Peter and Autumn join Charles and Camilla in the carriage procession and judging simply by photographic appearance having a genuinely nice time.
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Old 06-20-2018, 03:02 PM
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I think it has a lot to do with perspectives also. There's been a lot in the press of Charles disapproving of Andrew because of some of his dealings with people and how he does things but, to me, that is Charles basing a dislike of what Andrew has done on how it affects the "Firm" and the monarchy. Charles may be of the opinion that in the future, as monarch, he'd prefer a slimmed down monarchy but once again, that's looking at the "Firm" and the monarchy and how it should work. Absolutely nothing to do with their relationships in private as a family. For all we know, Charles could look forward immensely to spending time with Andrew because of his gift for wise cracks or practical jokes that we, the public, never hear about.

At Ascot Week, they're all coming together as a family to enjoy the races and its not always related to the "Firm" or protocol or precedence or even solely representing the monarchy but rather just having a grand old time enjoying each other.
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Old 06-20-2018, 03:13 PM
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I think it has a lot to do with perspectives also. There's been a lot in the press of Charles disapproving of Andrew because of some of his dealings with people and how he does things but, to me, that is Charles basing a dislike of what Andrew has done on how it affects the "Firm" and the monarchy. Charles may be of the opinion that in the future, as monarch, he'd prefer a slimmed down monarchy but once again, that's looking at the "Firm" and the monarchy and how it should work. Absolutely nothing to do with their relationships in private as a family. For all we know, Charles could look forward immensely to spending time with Andrew because of his gift for wise cracks or practical jokes that we, the public, never hear about.

At Ascot Week, they're all coming together as a family to enjoy the races and its not always related to the "Firm" or protocol or precedence or even solely representing the monarchy but rather just having a grand old time enjoying each other.
Fabulous point. And one with which I wholeheartedly agree. I can even see the logic in Charles possibly disapproving of some of Andrew's friendships and dealings as they impact the monarchy. And I think Charles is definitely in tune with public perception of the royal family as all being totally supported by public money, though we know that isn't true. But as for their actual relationships, I just think sometimes Charles gets the short end of the stick in the public perception of his familial relationships when things like carriage rides at Ascot seem to show much more of the truth. As always, just my own views, but I think Charles and Camilla's carriage partners over the last two days might have been HM's subtle way of letting us in on some of those warmer relationships.
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Old 06-20-2018, 03:30 PM
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Osipi you literally took the words out my mouth. I don't think Charles has to put on a show of liking the York girls, there are his nieces and I'm sure he loves them. That doesn't mean as the next Sovereign he agrees there are roles for them in the working monarchy. That doesn't mean he doesn't like them at all. Its like the boss of any family business - he has to make decisions based on whats best for the "firm" (the monarchy) not the family.
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Old 06-20-2018, 03:32 PM
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I agree...I think Charles rubs along quite well with the children of his siblings.


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Old 07-12-2018, 03:19 PM
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I'm very interested to see the interaction between the Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex on Saturday at Wimbledon. Not that I think they've ever been unfriendly with each other but in the few times we've seen them together there doesn't seem to be much interaction beyond a polite word or smile here and there. It seems like depending on where you look and what you read people have already decided that these two are bosom buddies and closer than sisters or they're at each others throats and out for blood. I'm very much looking forward to seeing them together, just the two of them, this Saturday to see that interaction and have a better idea of whether they're more polite acquaintances or two peas in a pod.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:27 PM
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I think it'll be interesting to watch the two of them together too. They've really not had much time to cement any kind of a relationship yet. There was the wedding, the birth of Louis and just all kinds of hectic stuff going on that kept them busy with other things.

One thing I don't think we're ever going to see though is what their relationship is like in private. Right now they have it made in the shade as far as being able to visit between homes privately out of the public eye. For all we know, Harry and Meghan could pop over to the Cambridges' home for dinner now and then or to play with the kids or borrow a cup of sugar even. Meghan seems to like to cook so perhaps its been dinner at Nott Cott while the kids play with Lupo and Guy.

As close as Harry and William are, its hard to believe that Kate and Meghan would just be on "acquaintance" terms. That's just my opinion though. We'll never really know for sure.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:34 PM
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What little interaction we've seen previously it has all look fairly relaxed and friendly. I'm pretty confident that they get on well with each other. I just cannot see Harry marrying someone who did not mesh well with his family. Especially William and Kate.


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Old 07-12-2018, 03:39 PM
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I think it'll be interesting to watch the two of them together too. They've really not had much time to cement any kind of a relationship yet. There was the wedding, the birth of Louis and just all kinds of hectic stuff going on that kept them busy with other things.

One thing I don't think we're ever going to see though is what their relationship is like in private. Right now they have it made in the shade as far as being able to visit between homes privately out of the public eye. For all we know, Harry and Meghan could pop over to the Cambridges' home for dinner now and then or to play with the kids or borrow a cup of sugar even. Meghan seems to like to cook so perhaps its been dinner at Nott Cott while the kids play with Lupo and Guy.

As close as Harry and William are, its hard to believe that Kate and Meghan would just be on "acquaintance" terms. That's just my opinion though. We'll never really know for sure.
All very true. I'm not sure we every really, really get to see what relationships are like behind closed doors but I think we might get a pretty good idea from an outing like this. If they're chatting and laughing and appear to have a lot to say to each other (rather than just the public aspects of speaking with players and ball boys/girls) then I think it's probably a safe bet that they get on well. If they don't exchange many words and tend to stare only at the court then I think we might be seeing some hints of a not so close relationship. But that's really just my two cents worth. I'd hope that with their abilities to spend time together out of the public glare and with the seemingly very close relationship between the Cambridges and Harry that they will have built a very nice relationship by now.

The personal relationships really are one of the things about the BRF that I wish we got to see more of. I always so enjoy seeing things like the Swedish RF playing with nieces/nephews in public and being so clearly comfortable with them, even in the Danish RF we get to see a bit of that. I wish we got to see much more of the Aunt Meg and Uncle Harry playing with George, Charlotte, and Louis or the Grandpa Charles and Gran Camilla (yes I know she's the stepgran but few glimpses we've had of interaction with the children are always very sweet so for the purposes of my argument I'm using Gran) vs. the Prince of Wales Charles and Duchess of Cornwall Camilla.
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One incident that made me laugh and realize just how close Harry is with the Cambridge children is when the Obamas made a visit and George pipes up with "how come Uncle Harry is being so quiet?". That was before Meghan came along and perhaps the biggest clue was at the holidays when Harry said something along the lines of Meghan now having the family she's never had before. Close family that interacts with each other.

Little clues like this is what gives us a wee bit of an inkling.
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