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Old 04-29-2017, 04:09 PM
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There is absolutely no reason to think that the end of Charles and Diana's marriage has anything to do with William's relationship with his father today. They've both moved on from those days.

If I'm wrong on this, please provide credible sources that state otherwise?
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:16 PM
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There is absolutely no reason to think that the end of Charles and Diana's marriage has anything to do with William's relationship with his father today. They've both moved on from those days.

If I'm wrong on this, please provide credible sources that state otherwise?
It is what some people are speculating on Daily Mail comments.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:21 PM
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I would never cite commentators at the Daily Mail as anywhere near being credible sources. The comment section is so far removed from reality that if it wasn't so sad, it'd be comical.

One quickly learns that Daily Fail articles are mostly suitable for bird cage liners. The only redeemable factor of that publication is that they do have excellent photographs.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:22 PM
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It is what some people are speculating on Daily Mail comments.
Oh well if that's the case I need to cut water from my diet because it'll probably kill me
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:29 PM
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Oh my Goodness Gracious! People here must stop believing in those articles and american books. We have heard from various reliable sources that the family likes to be each other.


Now, in recent months, Charles has been accused of being an absent grandfather, but now the DF and other newspapers have decided to blame William and Kate. And the worst thing is that many of you believe in everything they write.


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We do know the family comes together for public viewing on certain occasions though like Trooping the Color and Ascot and they have a private extended Christmas lunch around the holidays. That's about as good as its going to get I believe.
We see members of the family for the Trooping, State opening, Ascot, Christmas, Easter, State baquets, the Queen's Jubilees/milestone birthdays and Weddings. That is more than good.


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It is what some people are speculating on Daily Mail comments.
Do you really believe that? As I have said several times in various threads, the trolls in the DF comments section are a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic, ignorant, sick, spiteful bullies who hates everyone. But they represents a very tiny minority of the UK public, and many of them are from other countries.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:37 PM
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We see members of the family for the Trooping, State opening, Ascot, Christmas, Easter, State baquets, the Queen's Jubilees/milestone birthdays and Weddings. That is more than good.
Thanks for listing in more detail the times when the public does see the BRF as a family. For me, that's enough. They may be public figures and there is quite a bit of interest in their lives but they also deserve their private spaces.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:39 PM
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William (and Harry) and their father made peace about their parents marriage long ago. It's been pretty clear, when we have seen them all together, they have a warm relationship.

We know Charles is very busy and we know Charles has spent time with his grandchildren. Because we don't get a press release about each event doesn't mean it isn't happening. Charles didn't seem to have problems with his own boys when they were babies, not sure why he would have issues with his grandchildren while they are babies/toddlers.



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Old 04-29-2017, 04:44 PM
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I would never cite commentators at the Daily Mail as anywhere near being credible sources. The comment section is so far removed from reality that if it wasn't so sad, it'd be comical.

One quickly learns that Daily Fail articles are mostly suitable for bird cage liners. The only redeemable factor of that publication is that they do have excellent photographs.
The commentators are journalists, so some of the things they are saying could be true.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:46 PM
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Well any journalists, doesn't matter what paper/magazine they work for, who are commenting on another papers stories that cannot provide sources or back up on their stories then that's not a journalist to be trusted.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:49 PM
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Are you talking about the people actually writing the articles or the comment section? The Daily Fail is well known for exaggerations, sensationalistic headlines and they excel at making things up and hoping they're right. They're more in the market to sell their spiels and bring in the green dollars.

They are a far cry from being true journalists and I would never put any kind of stock in what they print. Ever. I refuse to even click on anything that would take me to the Daily Fail. I just don't find it to be a credible source.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:56 PM
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The commentators are journalists, so some of the things they are saying could be true.
99% of the trolls in the DF comment section (if it's that you mean) aren't journalists.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:56 PM
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I try not to click on Daily Mail links because they are so full "alternative news". You only have to read some of the headlines to see their total inconsistency especially around Harry and his new girlfriend. Some DM headlines say Charles has ordered Harry to dump her as she is totally beyond the pale and the next day, he and the grandparents are ecstatic about the romance.

One week the Cambridge family are domestic bliss personified with their darling, adorable cherubs, the next they are the laziest people in the royal family which is appalling when the Queen and the Duke of Edinborough are in their 90's.

The DM journalists each have their own personal favourites and dislikes and that is how they write their articles, sometimes in the same edition.

Having said all that, give me a special occasion, a gala, etc. and I'll click because their photographers are the best in the business and I love gorgeous gowns and white or black tie occasions. Sometimes I also read the article just to see how many royals they have mistaken for others.
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Exactly! And well explained.
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:54 PM
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Time to move back to the topic of the thread - we have the following thread to discuss the media portrayal of the Royal Family:

The Royal Family and the Media
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Old 04-29-2017, 09:17 PM
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I wonder what the relationship is between Prince Andrew and his older sister, Princess Anne? He was born 10 years after her, and they seem to have a good relationship as brother. I wonder what her relationship was with her ex-sister-in-law, the former Princess Andrew, Duchess of York, and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of York?

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Ten years is ten years, a huge gap in childhood. Anne and Andrew are probably cordial when they meet and are quite fond of each other but I can't see them having a huge amount in common. The only thing I can remember about Anne's relationship with Sarah York was that she remarked that she 'seems a very nice girl' when she met her pre the engagement, which again doesn't strike me as pointing to a great closeness to her brother when they were both adults.

On the subject of Charles and his grandkids --
Yes the DM is a slime of a newspaper and its journos are often liars. However the DM didn't make up the fact that Charles was absent for two out of George's three birthdays, on one occasion choosing squirrels over kith and kin. The newspaper didn't ban him from the occasions.

Sally Bedell Smith, his latest biographer, presumably wasn't lying or she would have risked a law suit when she wrote that Tiggy, mentor to his sons, rang Charles up about his virtual absence from George's life and suggested some measures to counter that.
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In all the years I've been married, I've been absent for at least 50% of my husbands birthdays.

Work is like that.

No member of the royal family has control over their diary in the way some posters say. It is the state, government, patronages and charities that dictate.

Best example is a royal wedding being put back a day because a Head of State funeral was taking place in Rome.

Royal families are not dictators - they are servants of their people.
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Old 04-29-2017, 10:02 PM
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What we don't really know is how much contact Charles has with either son at all.

For all we know they may see each other quite a lot but then again they may only see each other on those occasions when forced to be in each other's company. For instance we haven't seen William and Charles at any event this year other than Vimy Ridge. If Charles has been there e.g. the Commonwealth Service, William hasn't. William was at the Easter service but Charles wasn't. Is this because William and Charles are at odds with each other or simply that their schedules didn't allow them to be together (Charles had engagements in Scotland either side of Easter so he would have had to made two trips to carry out his engagements to see the rest of his family at Easter).

Personally I don't think William and Harry do have that great a relationship with Charles as they never mention him when they are meeting the public - always Diana but never their father, unless they are doing a documentary on him. Otherwise he doesn't exist for them with the public.

The fact that Charles didn't go to George's birthday parties could also be explained by finding out if he was asked. It is easy to assume that he was when we don't have the evidence one way or the other.

Last year we saw George and Charlotte with the BRF at Trooping and with Harry when President Obama visited. Other than that they weren't seen with anyone else at all - did they see anyone else or not? We don't know.
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Old 04-29-2017, 10:34 PM
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In all the years I've been married, I've been absent for at least 50% of my husbands birthdays.

Work is like that.

No member of the royal family has control over their diary in the way some posters say. It is the state, government, patronages and charities that dictate.

Best example is a royal wedding being put back a day because a Head of State funeral was taking place in Rome.

Royal families are not dictators - they are servants of their people.
Yes, Cepe, that sounds all very noble. However, as another poster noted earlier, for George's first birthday (at that time George was his only grandchild) Charles chose to visit a squirrel sanctuary. I'm a grandparent, and I have to say, as a busy person myself, I wouldn't have made that choice.

Birthdays aren't movable feasts. Each year it's the same date. What would prevent Charles (unless a tour abroad or something of national importance is booked) from pencilling in two dates only in his calendar, the birthdays of his only two grandchildren, and resolving that each year he will be there on their birthdays? Charles's calendar too inflexible for that? I think not.

Family life is what you make of it and if you put hardly anything of yourself into it that is precisely what you will get back.
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What we don't really know is how much contact Charles has with either son at all.

For all we know they may see each other quite a lot but then again they may only see each other on those occasions when forced to be in each other's company. For instance we haven't seen William and Charles at any event this year other than Vimy Ridge. If Charles has been there e.g. the Commonwealth Service, William hasn't. William was at the Easter service but Charles wasn't. Is this because William and Charles are at odds with each other or simply that their schedules didn't allow them to be together (Charles had engagements in Scotland either side of Easter so he would have had to made two trips to carry out his engagements to see the rest of his family at Easter).

Personally I don't think William and Harry do have that great a relationship with Charles as they never mention him when they are meeting the public - always Diana but never their father, unless they are doing a documentary on him. Otherwise he doesn't exist for them with the public.

The fact that Charles didn't go to George's birthday parties could also be explained by finding out if he was asked. It is easy to assume that he was when we don't have the evidence one way or the other.

Last year we saw George and Charlotte with the BRF at Trooping and with Harry when President Obama visited. Other than that they weren't seen with anyone else at all - did they see anyone else or not? We don't know.
You know, I don't question Charles's love for his sons and his sons for him, but I do think they let Charles live in his own world and they live theirs. As I said before, outside of big family events, Charles's branch really don't present themselves as a family unit. Perhaps there's real reasons for that. It works for them. But the media has taken notice and they are writing about it.
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