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Old 10-12-2012, 03:27 AM
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The Duke of Cornwall title would merge with the Crown if Charles died. If Charles had no descendants, Andrew would get the title.
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Duke of Cornwall title

I thought grandsons of the monarch can't inherit the title? King George III was the heir of George II, however he was created Prince of Wales but was ineligible to be Duke of Cornwall.
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What about Queen Mum's Princess Elizabeth style? I didn't know that... Did the Queen ask to name her late mother like that or it was an invention of the Arms staff? Or maybe it was not an invention but an old custom?
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I thought grandsons of the monarch can't inherit the title? King George III was the heir of George II, however he was created Prince of Wales but was ineligible to be Duke of Cornwall.
They can't. Like I said if Charles died the title would merge with the crown and it wouldn't be used until William was King (if his first born was a son). William would presumably be created The Prince Of Wales if his grandmother was still Queen.

Andrew wouldn't have the title in any case, he would have to be heir apparent and the eldest son which he wouldn't be.
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:32 AM
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Duke of Cornwall title

So Prince Andrew would lack only 1 eligibility to be Duke of Cornwall which is

Though the new eldest son, he's not the heir apparent to the throne.

And on his fathers death (Charles died before becoming king), Prince William would lack only 1 eligibility to be Duke of Cornwall which is

He's not the eldest son of the Sovereign, only a grandson.

To be Duke of Cornwall you have to be the eldest son of the Sovereign & heir apparent to the throne.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:09 AM
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What about Queen Mum's Princess Elizabeth style? I didn't know that... Did the Queen ask to name her late mother like that or it was an invention of the Arms staff? Or maybe it was not an invention but an old custom?
The Queen is fount of all honours and can express her Will in terms of her mother's style and title without question. Since her two aunts were allowed the style of Princess using their Christian names as widows, it would be logical her mother was referred to similarly at her funeral.
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According to British law, princesses of other Royal Houses loose their Royal styles and titles once they become British subjects. It didn't matter with Marian, as she became a British HRH on her marriage, but her cousin Ekaterina of Greece and Denmark lost her title on marrying a British commoner and was granted the right to the style of the daughter of a duke, thus became Lady Katherine Brandram with a British passport.
Foreign royals do not lose their titles if they become British subjects. However, they can only use them if so recognized by The Sovereign, otherwise they are granted another style by Royal Warrant, or in the case of females, simply assume their husband's style and title.
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Discussion of the Royal Family Order has been moved to the Royal Orders and Decorations thread.
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I would like to seek the opinions of others regarding King Edward VII's decision of creating his Duff granddaughters British princesses with the style of Highness. I'm fully aware that as granddaughters in the female line of the Sovereign they weren't entitled to princely rank.

However, I feel that Edward did this because up until the marriage of his sister, Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll, daughters & male line granddaughters of the Sovereign normally contracted marriages with other foreign princes entitling there children to princely status, albeit lower(Queen Victoria elevated her grandchildren to the prefix of Highness). Edward as Prince of Wales made it known he disagreed with his sister marrying a non-royal duke. So to have his daughter marry someone other than a prince I'm sure was unacceptable in his eyes, though tolerable. And his reason behind creating his Duff granddaughters Princesses of Great Britain & Ireland was in effect a way to show that they would've held princely styles & titles if his daughter hadn't insisted on marrying a subject.

If possible, could others give any other reason of why Edward VII would've done this? I just can't see another reason.
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Second child of Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

We could soon witness something that couldn't have been envisaged when George V issued letters patent in 1917,
These stated that the style of 'Prince/Princess' could only be granted to the following:
Sons/daughters of the Monarch.
Sons/daughters of the sons of the Monarch.
The eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales.
We now have an eldest son of the Prince of Wales - The Duke of Cambridge, who has been married well over a year. He and his wife are both in their early thirties. It's reasonable to assume that they will have children very soon.
We could easily end up with a situation where second and subsequent sons and/or any daughters are not given the title 'Prince' at birth, even though they are very much in the direct line of succession.
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They will be known as Lord/Lady Christian name Mountbatten-Windsor, just like Lady Louise, the Earl of Wessex' daughter. Though that applies only as long as the queen lives and she might issue Letters Patent, like her father did for her children.
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I think the Letters Patent will be issued very soon after the Duchess of Cambridge tells the Queen that she is expecting.
I think it will be a shame if the children receive the title of Lord/Lady. Similarly, I was disappointed that the Earl of Wessex's children received the title Lord/Lady instead of Prince James and Princess Louise.
I wonder what the situation regarding the Cambridge's younger children will be if the Prince of Wales predeceases his mother.
That would have to be rectified very quickly.
If the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge had married a little earlier, we might even be soon looking at a situation of 'the eldest son, of the eldest son, of the eldest son of the prince of Wales'. A situation that would have been beyond belief for George V.
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It's all fascinating stuff.
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Edward didn't create his granddaughter Princess Alexandra and Princess Maud until 1905 when he made their mother Princess Royal, until then they were Lady Alexandra/Maud.

He "promoted" them when he promoted his eldest daughter.

How were daughters of other Princess Royals styled? (besides Zara Phillips)
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How were daughters of other Princess Royals styled? (besides Zara Phillips)
- Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood had two sons.
- Victoria, Princess Royal's daughters were all Princess' mainly due to the fact she was married to the German Emperor and King of Prussia. They were all 'Princess of Prussia'.
- Charlotte, Princess Royal had no children. Same with Anne, Princess Royal (1727)
- Mary, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange had a son.
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Okay... I don't understand why you sent a rebuttal. I knew what there titles were before 1905... my post spoke about the reasons behind his decision to elevate them.
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Proably because once the King made his daughter the Princess Royal, Lady Alexandra/Maud didn't have the appropriate regal and royal 'ring' to it so he made them princesses. Look at the Wessex children. We speculate all the time but no one really knows for sure why HM decided to style them as the children of a non-royal earl.
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Old 10-14-2012, 06:26 AM
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A king or queen regnant can change styles & titles as they see fit. However, Princess Louise's daughters weren't entitled to any "regal or royal ring"... a fact that King George V pointed out when he refused Alexandra & Maud the wearing of "Princess Robes" at his coronation. And regarding the Earl & Countess of Wessex... I'm very certain The Queen honored the wishes of Edward & Sophie by not styling their children as royal.
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Things changed under George V. The 1917 LP basically set in 'stone' royal styles and titles (although as you point out, the sovereign can change royal styles and titles at any time and for any reason) and here in for me is the issue. The larger question is why do sovereigns do what they do and the answer for me at least is because it it their Royal Prerogative to do so. End of story IMO.
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