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Old 10-05-2012, 11:51 AM
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Investitures for Prince Harry is coming no doubt about it.
Anne , Andrew and Edward were all in their 40s before the were created Knights of Garter. Charles as Prince of Wales was created in 1958 (age 10)
I don't think Henry will be invested until Charles is KIng, IMO.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:59 AM
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Foreign titles have no status in the UK and any use of them in the UK required a royal warrant. Marina may never have given up her maiden titles but they had no status in the UK. If Marina had simply reverted to her maiden titles she would have been HRH Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark, Duchess of Kent. While I am sure HM took into consideration Marinas former status, I maintain that in the UK her usage of "Princess" was the same as for Alice, merely a social courtesy because no woman wants to be known as a Dowager, not a recognotion of her Greek titles.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:05 PM
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Well, at the moment Prince Henry have The Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal and Diamond Jubilee Medal. Those medals are just to mark the years of The Queen's reign.

I think with Harry with the years of Harry's service to Her Majesty on representing her and serving in Afghanistan, an honour from The Queen is coming his way. I really have no doubt about that. There will be honours for Charles to give his sons when he come to the throne. The biggest one under Charles's reign will be investing his heir, The Duke of Cambridge, as The Prince of Wales.

The Royal Family Order of Queen Elizabeth II is only for female members of the royal family. I think that's one of the first that's going to awarded to HRH The Duchess of Cambridge at some point.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:07 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Harry already has the Queen's Family Order
What order would that be? As far as i know the Royal Family order is restricted to women. Right now Harry I think only has the Golden and Diamond Jubilee Medals and the Afghanistan service medal.

HM started her younger sons off as CVO and then a number of years later promoted them to KCVO and then GCVO.

I can see her giving Harry the CVO but higher orders waiting until his fathers accession.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:09 PM
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What order would that be? As far as i know the Royal Family order is restricted to women. Right now Harry I think only has the Golden and Diamond Jubilee Medals and the Afghanistan service medal.
My mistake, thanks for corrected.
I meant the Jubilee Medal, not Family Order (which is indeed for woman only).
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:10 PM
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What order would that be? As far as i know the Royal Family order is restricted to women. Right now Harry I think only has the Golden and Diamond Jubilee Medals and the Afghanistan service medal.

HM started her younger sons off as CVO and then a number of years later promoted them to KCVO and then GCVO.

I can see her giving Harry the CVO but higher orders waiting until his fathers accession.
You're correct. Royal Family Orders are for titled women or other women in extraordinary circumstances.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:12 PM
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Foreign titles have no status in the UK and any use of them in the UK required a royal warrant. Marina may never have given up her maiden titles but they had no status in the UK. If Marina had simply reverted to her maiden titles she would have been HRH Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark, Duchess of Kent. While I am sure HM took into consideration Marinas former status, I maintain that in the UK her usage of "Princess" was the same as for Alice, merely a social courtesy because no woman wants to be known as a Dowager, not a recognotion of her Greek titles.
Marina didn't use the title Princess Marina of the United Kingdom (to which she was not entitled), just Her Royal Highness Princess Marina - title and style she was entitled to from birth. At least, that's my opinion on this matter, although I certainly respect your viewpoint as well.
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The only honour I can see Henry receiving during HM reign and provided he marries is a peerage, IMO
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:19 PM
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I have to disagree with you, NGalitzine.
Princess Marina did become Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Kent upon her marriage. However, she also remained a Princess of Greece and Denmark as she was born one. Thus, upon her elder son's wedding she simply reverted to her titles by birth.

Of course, her decision to be known as Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent instead of the tradition The Dowager Duchess of Kent still needed approval from the Queen, which was dully granted in 1961, just before the current Duke and Duchess of Kent's marriage.

Prince Philip is a different case: he relinquished all his foreign titles and styles (unlike Marina, who never did that), so had to be created a Prince anew.
At the time of her death, Princess Marina's full style was: Her Royal Highness Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent, Countess of St. Andrews and Baroness Downpatrick
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:19 PM
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I still think The Queen will give Prince Harry an honour for his service to her and his service in Afghanistan.
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I still think The Queen will give Prince Harry an honour for his service to her and his service in Afghanistan.
I don't it but maybe a CVO
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Is part of the issue with granting anyone with the Order of the Thistle that the Referendum on Independence is due to happen in 2014? Granted the polls remain in favor of union, but should the worst happen it puts granting the Order in a new light.

I always assumed that the Queen (since 1999) was conferring the Order on the parts of the family with a true love of Scotland, and to the heir apparent. When I look at the current knights/ladies membership - the group is overwhelmingly Scottish (educated, resident, working). The Order is not given lightly if you look at the timing of investiture of the current special knights and lady:
  1. The Duke of Edinburgh KG KT OM GBE AC GCL QSO CD PC PC AdC(P) (1952)
  2. The Duke of Rothesay KG KT GCB OM AK QSO CD SOM GCL PC AdC(P) (1977)
  3. The Princess Royal KG KT GCVO QSO GCL CD TC (2000)
  4. The Earl of Strathearn KG KT (2012) (thanks to Wikipedia for this)
Each investiture can be linked to a significant time in their careers. I also think these are the four royals who seem to enjoy Scotland the most.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:41 PM
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At the time of her death, Princess Marina's full style was: Her Royal Highness Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent, Countess of St. Andrews and Baroness Downpatrick
Yes, I am aware of that. However, as with most people only the highest title (Duchess of Kent) was used.
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I still think The Queen will give Prince Harry an honour for his service to her and his service in Afghanistan.
I got curious about this. Maybe not if you look at the history of the current "spare." Prince Andrew, Duke of York was not granted an order after he returned from the Falkland War (1982). Here are his Honours and the years granted:

1979 - CVO
2003 - KCVO
2006 - KG
2011 - GCVO

He, as others serving, was decorated for service in the Falklands War (but that's not a Royal Order).

This chat about Orders might belong in another Forum and if so, I apologize in advance.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:49 PM
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Yes, I am aware of that. However, as with most people only the highest title (Duchess of Kent) was used.
You're right as usual
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:56 PM
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You're right as usual
Hardly as usual - NGalitzine proved it just minutes ago.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:07 PM
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Foreign titles have no status in the UK and any use of them in the UK required a royal warrant. Marina may never have given up her maiden titles but they had no status in the UK. If Marina had simply reverted to her maiden titles she would have been HRH Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark, Duchess of Kent. While I am sure HM took into consideration Marinas former status, I maintain that in the UK her usage of "Princess" was the same as for Alice, merely a social courtesy because no woman wants to be known as a Dowager, not a recognotion of her Greek titles.
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I still think The Queen will give Prince Harry an honour for his service to her and his service in Afghanistan.
Giving Harry an honour for service to the Queen is one thing but service in Afghanistan entitles Harry to nothing more than any other serviceman or woman.

It's unlikely everyone who served in Afghanistan would be given an honour other than a campaign medal. Any additional honour will (and should only) be awarded for a particularly meritorious act.
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Princess Marina's title of Princess of Greece and Denmark had no status in the UK so her styling as Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent was exactly the same as Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester. It was merely a courtesy granted by the Queen to her aunts. You will note that with her husband she took the time to actually create him a Prince of the United Kingdom since her father had merely granted him the style of HRH with the title of Duke of Edinburgh.
IMHO you are mistaken in that matter.

Prince Phillip had to be created Prince of the United Kingdom because he renounced his old Titel, so he could be made an english subject and took the name 'Mountbatten' from his Uncle.

No such thing was neccesary for Princesse Marina, as she did NOT renounce her Titel and Name
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Foreign titles held by British subjects have no status in the UK and would require a royal licence to be officially recognized in the UK. No royal licence has been granted to a British subject to allow the use of a foreign title since 1932. Marina was a British subject.
When Princess Katherine of Greece & Denmark married a British subject and came to live in the UK the King granted her the style of Lady Katherine with the rank of a dukes daughter for use in the UK. She remained a princess in her home country but in the UK she was only Lady Katherine.
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