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Old 10-03-2012, 10:46 PM
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There really is no reason for him to get it. Charles has it because he is Grand Master of the Order. No one else in the family currently has the GCB.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:52 PM
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As usual you make sense. In your opinion, are there any other orders the Duke of Cambridge will receive during HM reign?
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:59 PM
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Well he is already KG and KT the 2 highest orders of knighthood. I really cannot see him receiving anymore unless he were to become Grand Master of one of the other orders at some future date.
Philip is Grand Master of the Order of the British Empire
Charles is Grand Master of the Order of the Bath
Anne is Grand Master of the Royal Victorian Order
The Duke of Kent is Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George
The Duke of Gloucester is Grand Prior of the Order of St John of Jerusalem
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:02 PM
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Well he is already KG and KT the 2 highest orders of knighthood. I really cannot see him receiving anymore unless he were to become Grand Master of one of the other orders at some future date.
Philip is Grand Master of the Order of the British Empire
Charles is Grand Master of the Order of the Bath
Anne is Grand Master of the Royal Victorian Order
The Duke of Kent is Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George
The Duke of Gloucester is Grand Prior of the Order of St John of Jerusalem
Thanks for the information NGalitzine
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:54 PM
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I'm thinking that William will be intested with the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. William is a member of the Order of the Garter, Thistle and the next will most likely be Order of the Bath.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:05 AM
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Or it could be Order of St Michael and St George, Order of the British Empire, Royal Victorian Order, etc. William will have so many Orders coming his way, especially foreign Royal Orders. Of course Catherine will be given Orders too at some point.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:11 AM
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Well someday he will become sovereign of all the orders, but his grandmother has already been quite generous to him as it is and usually she has been quite restrained in decorating her relatives (at least until they have demonstrated their service to the crown for a number of years).
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:15 AM
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I don't believe William is able to receive the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. In order to receive this honour a person must be an Air Vice Marshal in the RAF. William, as a Flight Lieutenant, isn't eligible for any honours within the Bath, as Companions must hold at least the rank of Squadron Leader in the RAF.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:56 AM
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I'm surprised William was promoted to a KG & KT so quickly. I mean his uncles had to wait years and years before being conferred into the orders.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:13 AM
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I'm surprised William was promoted to a KG & KT so quickly. I mean his uncles had to wait years and years before being conferred into the orders.
He is in direct line of succession to the throne after all. And, the last time we had a long-reigning Queen, and an older Prince of Wales, his son was conferred into the orders at similar ages (George V, of course).
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:36 AM
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George V was given the Garter aged 21 and his older brother - who was then the 2nd in line to the throne - was given it at 19. The present Queen has been much slower in giving these awards to her sons then was Victoria who had all of her sons invested before they were out of their 20s with Leopold being the oldest at 25 while the older two younger sons were in their teens and of course Edward VII automatically one when he was created Prince of Wales.
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:23 AM
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So is it fair to say that the Duke of York & the Earl of Wessex will more than likely not be installed as Knights of the Thistle until the reign of their brother Prince Charles? The Queen has reigned for 60 years now, Charles's accession as king I'm sure will be soon. I mean Prince Edward is 48 yrs old, Andrew 52. I may be wrong but I believe these honors are long overdue. Neither the Dukes of Kent & Gloucester have received the order.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:26 AM
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As I understand it when the title Princess Royal is given to a oldest daughter the title is hers as long as she lives, while the title prince(ss) of Wales merges with the throne when the person carrying the title becomes monarch. Unless there are changes made regarding the title Princess Royal, a female monarch who has been given that title before becoming monarch will not be able to give a non-firstborn daughter or granddaughter the title Princess Royal.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:36 AM
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I don't think that either Andrew or Edward will get the Thistle unless the Queen gives it to them as I don't see Charles giving any honours to any of his siblings. I like Charles but it is clear that he isn't that close to his brothers and really I don't see him wanting to give them any honours at all. I can see him wanting them to be phased out of the public life altogether and only appear at really big family affairs, although he will ensure that they won't be left with no income or anything like that.

I don't even think they will continue going to Sandringham for Christmas once Charles is King.
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My gut feeling is William will be invested during HM reign, sooner rather than later. as ministerial advice is required, David Cameroon would most certainly approve. I get the feeling the Duke of York and the Earl of Wessex will not be invested a KTs

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I don't believe William is able to receive the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. In order to receive this honour a person must be an Air Vice Marshal in the RAF. William, as a Flight Lieutenant, isn't eligible for any honours within the Bath, as Companions must hold at least the rank of Squadron Leader in the RAF.
The Bath is not only awarded for military service. It is also awarded for civil service. Rules for awarding to the royals don't necessarily follow the rules for mere mortals. When Charles became Grand Master of the order and GCB he was still a young naval Lieutenant while Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence is a CB. Robert Fellows is a KCB as a result of his being a former Private Secretary to The Queen.
I just cannot see any necessity to load more honours on William, at least before he becomes the heir, unless he were to succeed one of his relatives as Grand Master of one of the orders of knighthood.
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The Bath is not only awarded for military service. It is also awarded for civil service. Rules for awarding to the royals don't necessarily follow the rules for mere mortals. When Charles became Grand Master of the order and GCB he was still a young naval Lieutenant while Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence is a CB. Robert Fellows is a KCB as a result of his being a former Private Secretary to The Queen.
I just cannot see any necessity to load more honours on William, at least before he becomes the heir, unless he were to succeed one of his relatives as Grand Master of one of the orders of knighthood.
I agree with you here on this point. I would really doubt that there will be any more honors bestowed on William until at least he is a full time working royal for a few years at least. If not then, perhaps after Charles becomes King.
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What about the Order of Merit? When did Charles receive his OM?
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:27 PM
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I think Prince Charles is only concerned with keeping funds in his pocket... and that is the real reason of why he wants a slimmed down Royal Family. The less duties performed by royals the less he has to repay the Treasury. And I believe in Williams reign Princesses Beatrice & Eugenie will perform royal duties. Just think about it... the Gloucesters & Kents are getting older. William & Harry's children won't even be of age... there gonna need a pair of extra hands. And like Prince Andrew was saying, they're the only Princesses of their generation. I don't see the reason of why Charles wants to exclude them...
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:33 PM
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I don't think that either Andrew or Edward will get the Thistle unless the Queen gives it to them as I don't see Charles giving any honours to any of his siblings. I like Charles but it is clear that he isn't that close to his brothers and really I don't see him wanting to give them any honours at all. I can see him wanting them to be phased out of the public life altogether and only appear at really big family affairs, although he will ensure that they won't be left with no income or anything like that.

I don't even think they will continue going to Sandringham for Christmas once Charles is King.
I do not agree with you. You just cannot say Prince Charles is not close to them so he wont give them titles and phase them out (1st of all how can we say he is not close to them..Should he hug them and put a broad plastic smile in front of media..OK leav it)..Such things are not done solely on monarch's preferences or instincts..Several factors are considered..such as the public standing of the person concerned, and more important, the necessity to increase the public standing of the person concerned..Do you seriously think Queen is close to Charles/Anne than Andrew/Edward to make them KT? Does any1 on TRF think so?
You just see..so much media coverage was given and many people (not ones on TRF) noticed Order of Thistle for 1st time, cos William was given..What would have happend if Andrew was given..forget any positive coverage..If at all they covered, they would have dug up all the nonsonse, and Sarah would have gone to oprah and cried for not inviting her..No one would care for Queen or Thistle. And for Edward it would be just a small column..I am not de-meaning them..I respect Prince Edward especially for his silent work..but thats the way monarchy works..pump the future ones and the central line..
Actually Princess Anne was lucky to get(earn) the "hard-working royal" image well in advance (before new-generation-surge). Otherwise even she might have been left out.
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