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Old 08-29-2012, 09:30 PM
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Even if William's first-born child is a girl (and as such, the future Monarch), there would be no obstacles for William to create his daughter The Princess Royal as well.
Unless a heiress apparent will be invested with the title Princess of Wales, I doubt she would become both Princess of Wales suo jure and Princess Royal.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:24 AM
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Unless a heiress apparent will be invested with the title Princess of Wales, I doubt she would become both Princess of Wales suo jure and Princess Royal.
I would think that she would one day be Duchess of Cornwall and then Princess of Wales and Finally Queen. Traditional ways can be changed. For it to be a true change the daughter as well as son would get the same.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:37 AM
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Unless a heiress apparent will be invested with the title Princess of Wales, I doubt she would become both Princess of Wales suo jure and Princess Royal.
There is absolutely no reason why William's eldest child, if a daughter, cannot be a Princess of Wales (assuming she ever becomes one) and The Princess Royal at the same time. It's not as though either title can be conferred upon younger siblings, so why not have both? Of course, she would be known under her highest available title - and The Prince(ss) of Wales pretty much outranks anything and everything else.

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I would think that she would one day be Duchess of Cornwall and then Princess of Wales and Finally Queen. Traditional ways can be changed. For it to be a true change the daughter as well as son would get the same.
As things are right now, the female form of The Prince of Wales is only used to designate the wife of the Prince of Wales. That may or may not change it future: time will tell. Of course, there are technically no legal obstacles for an Heiress Apparent to be created one - it's just never been done before.
The only time a woman came anywhere close to be The Princess of Wales in her own right was back in 16th century, when Lady Mary (the only surviving child of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon) was briefly given all the rights and prerogatives of The Prince(ss) of Wales.

The Duke of Cornwall title (and several others) is different because the holder must not only be the Heir Apparent, but also the eldest surviving son of the Monarch. For instance, if Prince Charles were to predecease Her Majesty, Prince William could be created The Prince of Wales but he'd never be the Duke of Cornwall.
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When The Princess Elizabeth turned 18, it was suggested to George VI that he create her "Princess of Wales" in her own right as heiress presumptive since it was clear there would be no further children. But he felt that title was for the wife of The Prince of Wales and there was no reason to change precedent.

The Government agreed, however, that a portion of the income generated by the Duchy of Cornwall would be granted to Elizabeth to pay for her staff and expenses as heiress presumptive.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:12 PM
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I would like to say that if the day come that a young lady was born all of that could be changed to make it where these are titles to the heir apparent not just a male.
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Old 09-14-2012, 03:21 AM
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I have no doubt that upon ascending the throne, Prince Charles will issue new Letters Patent reconfirming the style of HRH and title of Prince and Princess to the children of the Sovereign, and allowing the latter style and titles to pass to the male and female line grandchildren of the Sovereign whose son or daughter is the heir or heiress apparent and possibly to the eldest living child of the eldest child of the Prince or Princess of Wales-- My opinion and speculation is based off of full primogeniture. If this law is enacted there would be no need to automatically confer these honours on male line grandchildren seeing as full primogeniture will allow equal inheritance regardless of gender.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:04 PM
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Could not agree with you more!!!!
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:53 PM
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Will the dukedoms of Gloucester and Kent continue to be royal dukedoms when the current holders pass away?
I understand the Earl of Ulster and the Earl of St Andrews are not royal highnesses and was wondering does this impact the dukedoms.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:00 PM
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They will cease to be royal dukedoms, although the family relationship will continue even as they grow more distant. When the Earl of Ulster and the Earl of St Andrews succeed their fathers they will be known as His Grace the Duke of Gloucester and His Grace the Duke of Kent.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:05 PM
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Thank you for info

The Earl of St Andrews will be the first Roman Catholic Duke of Kent in many hundreds of years if I'm not mistaken.
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The Earl is not himself a Roman Catholic but his wife is as are most if not all his children so eventually the dukedom likely will be in a RC family.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:18 PM
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So before the 1917 LP, the Earls of Ulster and St Andrews would have been styled as highness? HH the Earl of Ulster etc?
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:44 PM
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So before the 1917 LP, the Earls of Ulster and St Andrews would have been styled as highness? HH the Earl of Ulster etc?
More likely they would have been styled like HH Prince Alastair of Connaught who after 1917 became known as the Earl of MacDuff before succeeding his grandfather as 2nd Duke of Connaught.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:26 PM
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Will the dukedoms of Gloucester and Kent continue to be royal dukedoms when the current holders pass away?
I understand the Earl of Ulster and the Earl of St Andrews are not royal highnesses and was wondering does this impact the dukedoms.

It will have very limited impact on the dukedoms.

All that will happen is that instead of the titleholder being called HRH The Duke of Gloucestor or HRH The Duke of Kent they will be His Grace The Duke of Gloucester or His Grace The Duke of Kent.

The titles will continue to descend in the same was as other titles with the same remainders - i.e. through the male lines only and the descendents will remain in the line of succession, unless barred for other reasons.

In time the same thing will happen with the Edinburgh title, when it reaches James, he will be His Grace The Duke of Edinburgh (and yes I know about his rights under the 1917 LPs but I don't think he will ever take up that option as I expect by the time he is 18 he will probably be lower than 15th in the line of succession - that means that William, Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie each have 1/2 children by then and we are talking 12 years from now).
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:55 PM
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Will the dukedoms of Gloucester and Kent continue to be royal dukedoms when the current holders pass away?
I understand the Earl of Ulster and the Earl of St Andrews are not royal highnesses and was wondering does this impact the dukedoms.
They will become regular dukedoms. If all the heirs of either dukedom passed away, the dukedoms could become royal again if they were re-issed to a future prince. A dukedom is royal when it is held by a royal.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:38 PM
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In Canada the Duke of Cambridge is formally and legally styled, The most High, most Mighty, and Illustrious Prince William HRH the Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thisle

This being the case, What would Catherine's female style equivalent be in Canada?
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:50 PM
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I assume the same as her British title Her Royal Highness Princess William, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus. Possibly with the edition of the High, Mighty and Illustrious.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:45 PM
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According to the Clerk of the Queen's Privy Council in Canada, all Dukes of the Royal Blood are entitled to the style , 'The Most High, Most Mighty, and Illustrious Prince' in addition to their other styles and titles. At least in Canada
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:14 PM
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I think that you will find that those terms actually are the full official lists but they are rarely if ever used. The only time I can think of them being used is at a person's funeral e.g. This is the full list for the Queen Mum read at her funeral and again those other terms appear:

"Thus it hath pleased Almighty God to take out of this transitory life unto His Divine Mercy the late Most High, Most Mighty and Most Excellent Princess Elizabeth, Queen Dowager and Queen Mother, Lady of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Lady of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Lady of the Imperial Order of the Crown of India, Grand Master and Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order upon whom had been conferred the Royal Victorian Chain, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem, Relict of His Majesty King George the Sixth and Mother of Her Most Excellent Majesty Elizabeth The Second by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, Sovereign of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, whom may God preserve and bless with long life, health and honour and all worldly happiness."[1]

List of titles and honours of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Even the full name of the orders was read out - mostly we say KG means Knight of the Garter but in full it means Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:38 PM
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Does anyone have an opinion on when the Duke of Cambridge will be invested as a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. William is a Royal Duke, A Royal Knight Companion of the most Noble Order of the Garter. A Knight of the Most Ancient and most Noble of the Thistle

Since the Order of the Bath is the third highest order of chivalry, would it make sense for William to be invested over Christmas?
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