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Old 07-29-2012, 12:18 AM
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So could she not pass a title because only a male royal can bestow one or is it based simply on Anne's choosing to go the different route.
Both in this case. :)
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:58 PM
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Children of Princess Anne and Prince Edward

The children of Princess Anne and Prince Edward are not called Princes or Princesses, and are not referred to as HRH.

Those of Prince Andrew are.

Is there some formal reason or rule behind this?
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:02 PM
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Princess Ann and her husband at the time requested their children not be given a title by the Queen.


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Old 08-03-2012, 01:12 PM
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In 1917, George V issued Letters Patent limiting the style of Royal Highness and the title of British Prince and Princess to male-line grandchildren of the Monarch.

Those Letters Patent are still in force, meaning Princess Anne's children (as female-line grandchildren of the Monarch) could have only those titles and styles they inherited from their father; since Mark Phillips was untitled, they have none. The Queen offered a nobility title to Mark, so that their children have at least some styles and titles; Anne and Mark, however, declined the offer in the hope their children will have a relatively normal life, away from royal duties and prying eyes of the media (a wish that has been largely fulfilled).

The case of Prince Edward's children is a bit more complicated. Legally, James and Louise are a British Prince and Princess with the style of Royal Highness since Letters Patent 1917 have not been cancelled or revoked. However, at the time of Edward and Sophie's marriage, the Buckingham Palace released an announcement which said the couple wanted their future children to be styled as children of an Earl - rather than male-line grandchildren of the Monarch - in the hope they'll have a normal childhood. Hence, Louise is just Lady Louise, while James is styled Viscount Severn (the eldest sons of the Peers usually use their fathers' second highest title as their style; Viscount Severn is currently Prince Edward's second-highest title).

In future, if they want to, they probably will be able to use the styles and titles that are their by right - unless, of course, no new Letters Patent are issued. Although personally I find that very unlikely.

Since at the time of Andrew and Sarah's marriage no special announcement was made concerning their children's titles, Prince Andrews children, as male-line grandchildren of the Monarch, are Princesses and Royal Highnesses by default - same as William and Harry.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:19 PM
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Anne had no title to pass on to her children, The style and title of HRH and Prince of the United Kingdom passes only through the male line. A peerage was offered to Mark Phillips but he and Anne decided it would be best for their children to be untitled and live as normal a life as possible so no peerage was granted.

In Prince Edwards case it was announced at the title of his marriage that the children would not use the style and title of HRH Prince/Princess but would be styled and titled as the children of an Earl. Edward was created Earl of Wessex when he married so his daughter is known as Lady Louise and his son is Viscount Severn. It was apparently his wish that his children also have as normal a life as possible. At a future time Edward is supposed to be created Duke of Edinburgh and his children will rank as the son and daughter of a duke. It is unlikely they will ever be known as HRH and Prince/Princess regardless of the 1917 Letters Patent because of the desire to slim down the royal family.

Andrews children are HRH and Princess because they are male line grandchildren of the monarch, and because they were born before anyone seriously talked about slimming down the royal family. Had he married and had children later in life it might have been the case that they also would be styled as "Lady" and not as Princess.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:48 PM
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Okay, so I just got an e-mail about a response to something I posted.
Strange enough, I cannot find this message (nor my question) anywhere...
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:32 PM
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The discussion about the name a Monarch takes upon accession has been moved to the Naming Customs of British Royalty, Regnal Name and Numeration thread.

Posts regarding non-British styles and titles have been moved to the Questions about Styles and Titles thread in the General Royal Discussion forum.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:42 PM
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Okay, so I just got an e-mail about a response to something I wrote.
Strange enough, I cannot find this message (nor my question) anywhere...
Your question was "Will Charles be king, won't he abduct [sic] in favour of William?".
As it had no relevance to the topic of this thread and has been answered many times elsewhere ("NO"), a Moderator deleted it.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:52 PM
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When Sophie Rhys-Jones married Prince Edward, I believe she rejected the title "Princess".
Not true. She is a princess and Royal Highness by marriage.

Her correct style & title is Her Royal Highness The Princess Edward, The Countess of Wessex.

We shorten that to HRH The Countess of Wessex, for convenience. I believe the Court does that as well.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:55 PM
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It is not that we shorten it, she is known by her husbands title which is The Earl of Wessex, so she is known at The Countess.
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Not only does the Countess also the Court Circular does also. And they preferred an Earldom, with their children styled as children of an earl, not that of an royal earl.
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Not only does the Countess also the Court Circular does also. And they preferred an Earldom, with their children styled as children of an earl, not that of an royal earl.
Well they took on the Earldom because its already been agreed that when HRH The Duke of Edinburgh passes on, that Charles, William, Harry, and Andrew will all decline the title and that it will be created (with a new patent) for Edward, and his son and heirs.
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Not only does the Countess also the Court Circular does also. And they preferred an Earldom, with their children styled as children of an earl, not that of an royal earl.
It was done that way with the intent to give Edward the Dukedom of Edinburgh when his father passes.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:30 PM
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Please note that all of the Queen's children no longer officially get the Prince/Princess styling officially, except Charles in Scotland, as they have substantive titles to go with their prince/princess ones.

Edward, since being created Earl of Wessex, has only been officially called HRH The Earl of Wessex so of course his wife is HRH The Countess of Wessex.
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:45 PM
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Well they took on the Earldom because its already been agreed that when HRH The Duke of Edinburgh passes on, that Charles, William, Harry, and Andrew will all decline the title and that it will be created (with a new patent) for Edward, and his son and heirs.

This is NOT what was announced at the time.

What was announced was that when both The Queen and Philip had passed and the Duke of Edinburgh title had merged with the Crown i.e. when Charles became King, the title would be recreated for Edward.

The official monarchy website: http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRo...%20Wessex.aspx
says At the same time (the previous point was relating to his creation as Earl of Wessex) it was announced that His Royal Highness will be given the title Duke of Edinburgh in due course, when the present title now held by Prince Philip eventually reverts to the Crown.

The BBC report from the day of the wedding BBC NEWS | Special Report | 1999 | 06/99 | royal wedding | Wessex titles for Edward and Sophie It has also been agreed that Edward will also become Duke of Edinburgh after the death of his mother, the Queen, and his father, Prince Philip, who currently holds the dukedom.
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:29 PM
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Women who marry British princes, like Sophie did, take the female version of their husbands titles but they do not become "Princess Sophie". Had Edward not been created an Earl she would have become HRH The Princess Edward but instead is now HRH The Countess of Wessex.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:54 PM
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You are correct - they take the female version of their husband's name - and so she became The Princess Edward along with The Countess of Wessex and Viscountess Severn.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:00 PM
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why does after 1 princess royal passes it takes a couple yrs for the next one 2 be named example
when princess Mary who died in 1965 princess Anne did not take on the title till 1987
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Because the title is not automatic but within the gift of the Sovereign.

Found this on wikipedia

"Princess Royal is a style customarily (but not automatically) awarded by a British Monarch to his or her eldest daughter. The style is held for life, so a princess cannot be given the style during the lifetime of another Princess Royal. In particular,Queen Elizabeth II never held the title as her aunt, Princess Mary, was in possession of the title."
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I would say with Elizabeth being the heir it could have gone to Margaret.
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