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Old 07-07-2012, 11:54 AM
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Viceroy is not a hereditary title, it is an appointed position rather like being Governor General.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:58 AM
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Viceroy is not a hereditary title, it is an appointed position rather like being Governor General.
I'm going off the list of Royal and Noble ranks on wikipedia, which places Viceroy 4th. I accidentally missed of Viscount, thanks for pointing it out.

I'm also assuming you mean Viscount/Viscountess should be #11 and Baron should be #12. Baron is a title of nobility introduced by William I.
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Yes, if I had redone your list I would have placed Viscount above Baron, and Baronet below the Baron but above a knight.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:10 PM
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Yes, if I had redone your list I would have placed Viscount above Baron, and Baronet below the Baron but above a knight.
That's how it is? I haven't included Baronet and Baronetess but wiki lists them after Baron, before Knight.

Here's the link; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baronet
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:44 PM
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so would a pharaoh outrank an emperor
pharaoh would be above all, he was also living god as was Japanese emperor tenno, he was considered as god also
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:40 PM
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A duke is higher in rank than a prince and viceroy is neither a Sovereign's nor a noble title.
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A duke is higher in rank than a prince and viceroy is neither a Sovereign's nor a noble title.
Not necessarily.
A Royal Duke (such as the Duke of York) is higher in rank than a Duke, but ordinary Duke (such as the Duke of Westminster) is not.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:49 PM
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Well, are we talking about the British peerage here? You are missing the point IMO.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:50 PM
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Well, are we talking about the British peerage here?
Yes, this is the thread about British Titles and Styles.
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In order of "rank" titles go as such;
  1. Emperor/Empress
  2. King/Queen
  3. Grand Duke/Duchess or Grand Prince/Princess
  4. Viceroy/Vicerine
  5. Archduke/Archduchess
  6. Prince Elector or Electress
  7. Prince/Princess
  8. Duke/Duchess
  9. Marquess/Margrave
  10. Earl/Count or Countess
  11. Viscount/Viscountess
  12. Baron/Baroness
  13. Knight/Dame

A female Earl is a Countess.
Which of these titles can the Queen grant?
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:54 PM
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Which of these titles can the Queen grant?
I would say 7-13, although the only person she has created a prince/princess would be her husband who she created a Prince of the United Kingdom.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:58 PM
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Yes, this is the thread about British Titles and Styles.
Then why are you pointing here such titles as Emperor, King, Grand Duke, Archduke, Viceroy (!)? Even Pharapoh was mentioned. Which is, by the way, an equivalent of the title of King/Queen.
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Then why are you pointing here such titles as Emperor, King, Grand Duke, Archduke, Viceroy (!)? Even Pharapoh was mentioned. Which is, by the way, an equivalent of the title of King/Queen.
A poster asked about where four specific titles "ranked". So I wrote a list of the titles used around the world, and wear the four specific ones ranked.
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Yes, but the titles of nobility is not exactly the same as the titles of reigning monarchs. And if you consider the former Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire, the question gets more complicated.
The British Peerage system is quite clear and there is no a prince except for the Prince of Wales. So, after the Prince of Wales come the Dukes, after them are Marqueeses, Earls, Viscounts, and Barons. Baronets are not members of any of the existing British Peerages but the Baronetages. And the royal dukes outrank in precedence the non-royal dukes, even if they are ten ages more ancient than them. It is only because they (the so-called royal dukes) are additionall Princes of Blood Royal. But their princely status is not within the Peerage. Prince Philip was created a Prince by the Queen, but his title has nothing to do with the Peerage.
Generally, a duke is higher in rank than a prince in "nobility systems" where there are both princely and ducal titles. Such systems were in alsmot all historical European monarchies. And if you consider the titles of monarchs, we must say first that all sovereigns and republican heads of state are considered equal in rank by the protocol. Although that, traditionally a dukedom was higher in rank than a principality. Ergo, a prince is minor to a duke.
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Well, use of Emperor and King in Lumutqueen's list was very much justified; the British Empire and Kings-Emperors and Queens-Empresses, and of course, the title King is still very much in existence. The list is actually pretty informative and gives an idea of general royal/noble precedence and ranking.


The current British Royal and Nobility titles system looks like this:

Royalty
- King/Queen
- The Prince of Wales
- Royal Dukes and other Peers (such as Earls)
- Princes
- The Princess Royal
- Princesses

Nobility (Peers)
- Dukes/Duchesses
- Marquesses/Marchionesses
- Earls/Countesses
- Viscounts/Viscountesses
- Barons/Baronesses
- Lord of Parliament

Gentry
- Baronets
- Knights
- Scottish Barons (Clan Chiefs)
- Lairds
- Esquires
- Gentlemen
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Well, use of Emperor and King in Lumutqueen's list was very much justified; the British Empire and Kings-Emperors and Queens-Empresses, and of course, the title King is still very much in existence. The list is actually pretty informative and gives an idea of general royal/noble precedence and ranking.
I think you just twisted my reply, Artemisia...

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Royalty
- King/Queen
- The Prince of Wales
- Royal Dukes
- The Princess Royal
- Princes and Princesses
And you simplified this question. For example, Prince Edward is higher than the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent. And the males generally come before the females, even the Princess Royal (except for the Sovereign, if female).
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I think you just twisted my reply, Artemisia...
I certainly didn't intend to do that; just expressed my opinion.
Lumutqueen's reply was very informative for a general picture on royal and noble titles ranking.

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And you simplified this question. For example, Prince Edward is higher than the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent. And the males generally come before the females, even the Princess Royal (except for the Sovereign, if female).
Completely agree about Prince Edward; I've edited my post to include other Royal Peers. I'm not entirely certain where The Princess Royal stands; she is certainly higher than other "ordinary" Princesses by blood (such as Beatrice), but possibly lower than "ordinary" Princes (such as Harry). I've edited the post to correct he information as well.
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Yes, this is the thread about British Titles and Styles.
If that's the case titles like archduke don't need to be on the list. I can see that they should be as a point of reference but in that case other foreign titles should be as well such as non-royal princes which are not equal to British princes(I'm thinking about princes in my home country of Poland, for example, who are not royalty).
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If that's the case titles like archduke don't need to be on the list. I can see that they should be as a point of reference but in that case other foreign titles should be as well such as non-royal princes which are not equal to British princes(I'm thinking about princes in my home country of Poland, for example, who are not royalty).
I made a list of royal, noble and gentry titles. I did not tailor this list for this thread as the poster asked where 4 specific titles fit in the grand scheme of titles themselves.

Including titles of non royalty makes no sense in a list of royal titles.
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I made a list of royal, noble and gentry titles. I did not tailor this list for this thread as the poster asked where 4 specific titles fit in the grand scheme of titles themselves.

Including titles of non royalty makes no sense in a list of royal titles.
Umm.. your first list included a bunch of noble titles which are non royal. Unless you meant to rank them with the assumption that the holders of those titles were also royals.
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