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Old 01-19-2006, 01:08 AM
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I think she needs to hear our side of this discussion.
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Ohh Lady M. Now we can't have Americans understanding the beauty of titles order and protocol! Why don't you see that part of punishing you all for your revolution, was making the whole thing more complicated? :)

But tomorrow suits me..
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:25 AM
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You kids are hysterical...I love it! :)

It could be worse...you could potentially get a really ignorant American who would call her Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor....lol.

I am American so I am just kidding to all my American counterparts on here! :)
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:25 AM
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Elspeth is bringin the G&T's, right?
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:20 AM
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The Queen will likely issue letters patent stating Harry's children will be HRH and Prince/Princess of the UK since they are the male-line grandchildren of the future King.
Thank you Elspeth for the answer.
Not wishing to be gloomy there (and not wishing ill to anyone), but that would be making the assumption that Charles will reach the throne. He might be, OK, but accidents happen. If Harry's children are made HRH and say the future King happens to be William, they would then possess a style they are not legally allowed to bear, no (as children of a brother of the sovereign)?
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Old 01-19-2006, 09:19 AM
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My prediction is Harry's children will not be prince/princess of the UK, provided William has married and has children of his own. Once William has an heir, the likelihood of Harry's children succeeding becomes very small.

I think it is inevitable new letters patent will be issued to replace the 1917 Letters Patent of George V, perhaps after Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice marry. The rank of Royal Highness and titular dignity of prince/princess of the UK will very likely be restricted in the future to the children of the sovereign and the children of the Prince of Wales.
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Old 01-19-2006, 09:46 AM
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Do you guys think in the future maybe will be a chance for equality for men and women in tittle stuff?

I never lose my hopes :p
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:07 PM
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it could happen :)
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:28 PM
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You know how the son of the Prince of Wales is given the title prince, what if William had a son tommorow? Would he be given the title of Prince too or would he recieve some other title until William becomes the Prince of Wales?
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:31 PM
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Well, he would become a Prince but he wouldn't get a Dukedom etc until he was much older. But he'd be illegitimate so he'd be out of running for the throne.
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:41 PM
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Well, just as things were changed and clarified in 1948 to allow Charles to become HRH Prince Charles because of the unforseen consequence of the heir (Princess Elizabeth) being female, which wasn't allowed for in the Letters Patent of 1917, I expect they'd be changed again to cover the eventuality of a great grandson of the monarch in the eldest-son line.

This web page lists the Letters Patent that have been issued over the last few decades (the links are to pdf files). It's a fairly handy resource.

http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/cuhags/info/proclp-w.htm
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:54 PM
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The eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales is automatically a Royal Highness and Prince of the UK under the 1917 Letters Patent.

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You know how the son of the Prince of Wales is given the title prince, what if William had a son tommorow? Would he be given the title of Prince too or would he recieve some other title until William becomes the Prince of Wales?
He would be HRH Prince X under George V's Letters Patent.
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:00 PM
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Do you guys think in the future maybe will be a chance for equality for men and women in tittle stuff?

I never lose my hopes :p
There is already equality at some level, but it is generally at the will of the Sovereign as fount of honour. Things would have to be drastically changed in common law to allow for equal inheritance of titular dignities and peerages.
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I thought Excellency was higher than honorable b/c I've seen U.S. Presidents ahev the prefix His Excellency and Top Diplomats (like th eSecretary of State and ambassadors) have the Honorable
In The United Kingdom the use of His/Her Excellency is used to refer to ambassadors and high commissioners, not the Honourable as in the US.

The Honourable is used for certain childern of peers who do not have a courtsey title. It is usual to abbreviate it to The Hon. or more archaically The Honble.
An example is The Hon. Angus Ogilvy (before the was given a knighthood and made a Privy Counsellor)

His/Her Excellency is also applied to Governor Generals, Lieutenant Governors and Governors of Commonwealth countries and to Foreign Presidents.

In Europe certain nobles are entitled to use Excellency.

No Peerages in the UK and no Government ministers can use Excellency.
Dukes are His Grace and Duchesses are Her Grace, other titles accorded to other peers ane the Right Honouable, The Most Noble etc.
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In The United Kingdom the use of His/Her Excellency is used to refer to ambassadors and high commissioners, not the Honourable as in the US.
The use of "The Honourable" is rare when addressing a sitting or former President of the United States. The current officeholder is simply "The President", and addressed as "Mr. President" or "Sir".

A former President is "Former President Surname" and addressed as "Sir" or "President Surname". Sometimes they are introduced as "The Honourable Jimmy Carter", but this is the exception, rather than the rule. Usually, they are introduced as "The 39th President of the United States, Jimmy Carter".
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:15 AM
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There are lots of possibilities and we will only fond out on the morning of their weddings!
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:50 PM
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I wonder if HM the queen had offered an earldom to prince michael of kent on his wedding day to baroness marie-christine then HRH and his wife would be TRH earl and countess of ????, it would have meant freddie would be a viscount and a new line of titled windsors in the future.
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Old 02-28-2006, 07:33 PM
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It still astounds me that these things need to happen.

I know Philip was born a royal prince and had to denounce everything and become a British citizen, but to me he is was still royal and not common, even though the laws or whatever recognized him as such.

Common to me means someone not born into any royal family in any way.

If one uses the arguments then the current heirs to the Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Luxembourg, and Lichtenstein thrones are only half royal.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:10 PM
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No one ever considered Prince Philip to be anything but royal. In fact, he is more royal than The Queen in Teutonic terms since her mother was technically a commoner as Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

By the standards of today's society, the Queen Mother was most certainly a high aristocrat, although not quite as aristocratic as Diana was.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:13 PM
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I wonder if HM the queen had offered an earldom to prince michael of kent on his wedding day to baroness marie-christine then HRH and his wife would be TRH earl and countess of ????, it would have meant freddie would be a viscount and a new line of titled windsors in the future.
Yes, they would have been styled as TRH Earl and Countess of Whatever, although technically Michael's correct full style would have remained HRH Prince Michael of Kent, The Earl of Whatever.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:38 AM
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Yes, they would have been styled as TRH Earl and Countess of Whatever, although technically Michael's correct full style would have remained HRH Prince Michael of Kent, The Earl of Whatever.
I think you are mistaken, when a Royal Prince is given a title he uses the title instead of "Prince x" Take for example: The Duke of York, The Earl of Wessex, The Duke of Gloucester and The Duke of Kent. It is not corredt to say HRH The Prince Andrew, Duke of York. The exception is His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, this is because at the time of his marriage he was given the title HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (having renounced his Greek Title of Prince). However in 1957 HM The Queen granted Him the title of The Prince Philip and this title was added before the Duke of Edinburgh part.
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