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Old 01-29-2012, 06:33 PM
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So, when Charles ascends and William is made PoW (again I'm assuming!), they will become Prince and Princess of Wales and their children will stop being ____ of Cambridge and become ____ of Wales. How confusing!!!
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:01 PM
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HRH Prince William of Wales > HRH the Duke of Cambridge > HRH The Duke of Cornwall & Cambridge > HRH The Prince of Wales > HM The King should be his progress through the ranks if all goes well.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:10 PM
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So, when Charles ascends and William is made PoW (again I'm assuming!), they will become Prince and Princess of Wales and their children will stop being ____ of Cambridge and become ____ of Wales. How confusing!!!
You're mostly right, but it depends on the gender of the children. If William and Catherine have children during the present Queen's reign, only their eldest son will have a title. He'd be HRH Prince X of Cambridge. All other children will be Lord/Lady X Cambridge. That's due to Letters Patent from George V. When Charles becomes King, all of their children then become HRH Prince/Princess X of Cornwall and Cambridge. When William becomes Prince of Wales, they'd be HRH Prince/Princess X of Wales, just like their father and uncle were.

It's really not confusing, it's just a matter of following the order of titles that William will eventually either inherit or be given. The next title up ahead is Duke of Cornwall, as that is immediately inherited upon the assumption of the new monarch. May he not see it for many more years, but still.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:30 PM
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To continue with the theme, King William's children will be HRH The Prince/Princess ________
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:02 PM
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Boy is this confusing. Im assuming the children would be HRH Prince/Princess of Wales since William would be King?
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:21 PM
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William's children would only be know as HRH Prince XXXX/Princess XXXX of Wales if he is Prince of Wales. Prince Harry is "of Wales" since Charles is currently The Prince of Wales. Only when William becomes king will his children be known as HRH The Prince XXXX or HRH The Princess XXXX.

And I hope I'm right with this analysis.
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:39 PM
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Ugh, I feel like such a moron asking this, but after reading this thread I got really interested in this.
Lets say that William and Kate first has a daughter and then a son, will the daughter be Princess of Cambridge or will that title go to her younger brother and she'll "just" be Lady Cambridge because of that Letters Patent thing?
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:47 PM
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A first born daughter, going by the 1917 Letters Patent, would be Lady X Mountbatten-Windsor (not Cambridge), although one would expect The Queen to raise her to HRH Princess X of Cambridge given recent discussions allowing a first born daughter to succeed to the throne ahead of later born sons.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:22 AM
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I'm gonna try posting this here now, because I didn't get any responses in the Gay thread...

If Harry were gay, or say one of William's sons is gay and he (or in the case of Harry, Charles) were king, do you think the male partner would receive a title upon marriage? Would they use a lesser title of the royal son? Like Harry would be Duke of Clarence and his partner would be Earl of Wherever? Or do you think that Harry would be given two Dukedoms, say Clarence and Avondale, and one would use Clarence and the other would use Avondale, but their children (permitting new LP's are passed to say that surrugate children are royal) would be of Clarence and Avondale? I know it's kinda out there, but I'm just curious what people think would happen.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:38 AM
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I think it would be like the Prince Gustav/ Carina Axelsson situation in Denmark (but for different reasons, obviously) whereby they would not marry but would be accepted at social functions and within the family as though they were, thus sidestepping the title issue altogether. If they did marry, I don't see a title being conferred to the spouse...rather, The Duke of X and Mr. Thus and Such, sort of like Mark Phillips and Tim Laurence, who didn't get titles or refused them.

Added: I suppose the ideal situation would be if the spouse were already titled before marriage!
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:20 AM
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When civil partnerships were introduced in the Uk it was said that the civil partner would not share in the other partners title. Rather like Sir Elton John and his civil partner Mr David Furnish.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:53 PM
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When civil partnerships were introduced in the Uk it was said that the civil partner would not share in the other partners title. Rather like Sir Elton John and his civil partner Mr David Furnish.
Yes, but of course, that doesn't mean The Sovereign cannot grant a royal partner their own title as a lifetime peerage.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:12 PM
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When pondering PrincePatrick's question I was just thinking of the Mark Phillips/Tim Lawrence situations regarding titles and then saw Windsorgirls post! I agree that if someone entered into a civil partnership with a royal, they would retain their own title (i.e. Mr etc). But I do agree with Branchg that the Sovereign could issue a title.
I'm not sure about adopted or surrogate children and what if any their position would be.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:35 PM
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Adopted children can't inherit titles or associated property but they can't inherit non-associated property e.g. an adopted child of William couldn't become King or inherit Windsor Castle but William could leave personal property to such a child such as Sandringham or Balmoral (yes we know that they have belonged to the monarchs now for over a century but they are private property - George VI had to buy them from Edward VIII after the abdication).

Surrogates would only be acceptable if the child was the biological child of both the parents which isn't possible with two parents of the same gender so again no inheritance rights regarding titles or associated property.

Of course laws can change but regarding titles and inheritance associated with that the biological parentage is important. Harry could do what many other gay men in the royal family have done over the centuries - marry, have the children, and then move onto the male lover (even divorce the wife and have the civil partnership with his lover).
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:47 AM
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My opinion is that if Harry or one of William's sons were gay and entered into a same-sex civil partnership (being in direct succession to the throne), that this partner may very likely be granted a life peerage.. or at least a peerage may be offered to Mr. X, whether he chooses to accept it or not.

If Harry or William's son were HRH The Duke of Clarence, then certainly I could see the partner being Lord X. I could also see a future gay king and his partner being HM The King and HRH The Prince Consort.. or HRH The Princess Royal and Lady X.. this is the 21st century after all, so why not? I've no objection at all to such titles being given to the life partner of a gay royal.. as long as the royal in question were in direct line to the throne and/or becomes sovereign.

In the case of a child being born of a surrogate mother, I think the laws could be changed to allow inheritance when the titleholder is the biological father.. and indeed, I think that is preferable to forcing a heterosexual marriage on a gay man simply for the purpose of procreation or extending the title for another generation. To me that seems rather cruel to both parties of such a "marriage".

Besides, the maternal bloodline is usually not the important one when it comes to the inheritance of a title, but who the father is.. of course, the laws would have to somehow get around the illegitimacy of the surrogate child..
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:47 PM
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Gay Marriage

This is a very interesting topic and has raised some very good points for discussion. I`m quite sure the issue of gay marriage has been discussed at the Palace, the Queen`s advisors are not quite the dinosaurs that popular media would have us believe. Personally, i would go along with the idea of the spouse of the Royal in question having no title, simply because this is the precedent already established by those members of the peerage and Knightage, who are gay, and whose partners/spouses do not share their titles. However, as has already been said, this would not be a perfect solution. If gay marriage is to be regarded as equal to heterosexual marriage, then a Royal prince who married a man may indeed want his husband to share his title, in the same way as his heterosexual brother would share his, on marrying a woman. It is an unknown....
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:01 PM
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Do royals titled TRH get more royal duties/ are more important than royals titled HH of TSH?
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Do royals titled TRH get more royal duties/ are more important than royals titled HH of TSH?
In the UK we only have the style HRH. No member of the BRF is styled HH or HSH anymore.
Of Europes current reigning royal families I believe the style of HH only exists in Denmark for junior members of the royal family and in the Netherlands for the sons of Princess Margriet who have the non-hereditary titles of Prince of Orange-Nassau. It may also be used in Norway but I am not sure of the applications there. The style of HSH is used for the reigning princely families of Liechtenstein and Monaco.
As a general rule I would say that the closer you are to the throne the more engagements you undertake.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:07 PM
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Forgot to post my thanks for all the responses to the Gay Royal Marriage question! Fascinating positions, and I really appreciate the insight!
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It may also be used in Norway but I am not sure of the applications there.
Princesses Astrid,Ragnhild and Martha Louise of Norway are HH after their marriage!
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