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Old 12-05-2011, 09:52 PM
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The children of Prince William will not be children of a monarch when Charles is on the throne, and the HRH passes only to male line grandchildren, IIRC (see ILuvBertie's post above).
That's not an issue here. A daughter of William's is still a male line grandchild. See: Beatrice, Eugenie.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:19 PM
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That's not an issue here. A daughter of William's is still a male line grandchild. See: Beatrice, Eugenie.

Yes,if the daughter is born when Prince Charles would become a king.Otherwise it will be just a great-granddaughter of the current monarch,QE2
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:11 PM
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Yes,if the daughter is born when Prince Charles would become a king.Otherwise it will be just a great-granddaughter of the current monarch,QE2
Indeed. And maybe there will be letters patent changing that... but I can't see a real need for it. The eldest would have an HRH and the others would be Lord/Lady until Charles is king. Even if the Queen lives to be as old as the Queen Mother and William has children very, very soon, they'd be Princes/Princesses by the time they were teenagers.

It might even be better for them to have lower titles as children- help keep the hype around them down as much as possible and maybe help give them a more normal childhood for as long as possible.
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Indeed. And maybe there will be letters patent changing that... but I can't see a real need for it. The eldest would have an HRH and the others would be Lord/Lady until Charles is king. Even if the Queen lives to be as old as the Queen Mother and William has children very, very soon, they'd be Princes/Princesses by the time they were teenagers.

It might even be better for them to have lower titles as children- help keep the hype around them down as much as possible and maybe help give them a more normal childhood for as long as possible.

yup I agree. That would be the best IMO,like Lady Louise and James,Viscount Severn
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:57 AM
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William's eldest son will be born an HRH. The only problem would be if they have a girl first and then a son with no changes to the current LPs - as the girl would be born Lady while the son would be HRH.

The relevant legislation is still some way away - I heard something about 4 or more years before any changes will be finished so this issue is still relevant.
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The Queen could also decide to wait and see. If Catherine produces a daughter as her first-born, The Queen could simply declare the child as HRH Princess X in the birth announcement.
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Old 12-06-2011, 03:46 AM
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The Queen could also decide to wait and see. If Catherine produces a daughter as her first-born, The Queen could simply declare the child as HRH Princess X in the birth announcement.

Given modern technology I wouldn't be at all surprised if they know the sex of the child before it is born so that the Queen can be prepared to issue the relevant LPs, if necessary - do nothing if it is a boy but issue the LPs at the birth if it is a girl.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:54 AM
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That would be very odd if the older female child is the heir to the throne with the lower title than a younger brother who gets the HRH and doesn't inherit. I'd guess that they'll just have to see as the children come along "who's on first" to rework the title issue or just take advantage of that modern technology to be prepared.
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That would be very odd if the older female child is the heir to the throne with the lower title than a younger brother who gets the HRH and doesn't inherit.
That's why I think The Queen will either issue Letters Patent or simply declare once Catherine becomes pregnant that all of William's children will be HRH Prince/Princess X.

Given that a first-born daughter will take precedence in the succession, the current 1917 Letters Patent granting the eldest son of the eldest son of The Prince of Wales the style of HRH Prince X are archaic.

William's children will become male-line grandchildren of The King and are next in-line to the throne. There is also the possibility they would be the children of The Sovereign if Charles predeceases The Queen. So, there's really no reason not to grant them royal rank at birth.
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It does makes sense to change the LPs at this point since it's a fait accompli what the standing of William's children will be in the succession and to entitle them all as HRH.
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This has probably been asked a lot, but it has been bugging me. If Diana and Charles had a daughter...what would her title have been?
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This has probably been asked a lot, but it has been bugging me. If Diana and Charles had a daughter...what would her title have been?
HRH Princess X of Wales, then after Charles ascent to the throne HRH The Princess X and maybe one day after Anne's death HRH The Princess Royal.
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So, when Charles ascends and William is made PoW (again I'm assuming!), they will become Prince and Princess of Wales and their children will stop being ____ of Cambridge and become ____ of Wales. How confusing!!!
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HRH Prince William of Wales > HRH the Duke of Cambridge > HRH The Duke of Cornwall & Cambridge > HRH The Prince of Wales > HM The King should be his progress through the ranks if all goes well.
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So, when Charles ascends and William is made PoW (again I'm assuming!), they will become Prince and Princess of Wales and their children will stop being ____ of Cambridge and become ____ of Wales. How confusing!!!
You're mostly right, but it depends on the gender of the children. If William and Catherine have children during the present Queen's reign, only their eldest son will have a title. He'd be HRH Prince X of Cambridge. All other children will be Lord/Lady X Cambridge. That's due to Letters Patent from George V. When Charles becomes King, all of their children then become HRH Prince/Princess X of Cornwall and Cambridge. When William becomes Prince of Wales, they'd be HRH Prince/Princess X of Wales, just like their father and uncle were.

It's really not confusing, it's just a matter of following the order of titles that William will eventually either inherit or be given. The next title up ahead is Duke of Cornwall, as that is immediately inherited upon the assumption of the new monarch. May he not see it for many more years, but still.
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To continue with the theme, King William's children will be HRH The Prince/Princess ________
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Boy is this confusing. Im assuming the children would be HRH Prince/Princess of Wales since William would be King?
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:21 PM
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William's children would only be know as HRH Prince XXXX/Princess XXXX of Wales if he is Prince of Wales. Prince Harry is "of Wales" since Charles is currently The Prince of Wales. Only when William becomes king will his children be known as HRH The Prince XXXX or HRH The Princess XXXX.

And I hope I'm right with this analysis.
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Ugh, I feel like such a moron asking this, but after reading this thread I got really interested in this.
Lets say that William and Kate first has a daughter and then a son, will the daughter be Princess of Cambridge or will that title go to her younger brother and she'll "just" be Lady Cambridge because of that Letters Patent thing?
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A first born daughter, going by the 1917 Letters Patent, would be Lady X Mountbatten-Windsor (not Cambridge), although one would expect The Queen to raise her to HRH Princess X of Cambridge given recent discussions allowing a first born daughter to succeed to the throne ahead of later born sons.
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