The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #781  
Old 12-10-2010, 10:52 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: philadelphia, United States
Posts: 719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kotroman View Post
Queen would also be a Princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duchess in Saxony, Princess of Greece and Denmark. Imagine: by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith, Princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duchess in Saxony, Princess of Greece and Denmark, Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth, Baroness Greenwich, Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, Duke of Normandy...
With the title of Princess of Greece and denmark she would also be until 1972 princess of Schleswig, Holstein, Stormarn, Dithmarschen, Lauenburg and Oldenburg...
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #782  
Old 12-29-2010, 04:34 AM
SweetHomeNC's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 40
If Charles had died while he and Diana were still married what would her title have become?
I believe I read once that there are two title options she could have used Her Royal Highness The Dowager Princess of Wales or Her Royal Highness Diana, Princess of Wales.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #783  
Old 12-29-2010, 04:41 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,523
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetHomeNC View Post
If Charles had died while he and Diana were still married what would her title have become?
I believe I read once that there are two title options she could have used Her Royal Highness The Dowager Princess of Wales or Her Royal Highness Diana, Princess of Wales.
Had Charles died while they were married she would have been HRH The Dowager Princess of Wales once someone else was given the title HRH The Princess of Wales but until then she would have remained simply as HRH The Princess of Wales.

The use of Diana wasn't a option as that applies to a divorced woman not a married one.

She would still have been wrongly called Princess Diana - as she was after the divorce.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #784  
Old 12-29-2010, 10:57 PM
SweetHomeNC's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 40
OK, back with another question. For the children of Princess Margaret, what exactly are their titles? I know their father is "The Rt Hon. The Earl of Snowdon".
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #785  
Old 12-30-2010, 12:13 AM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Richland Center, United States
Posts: 108
Princess Margaret's son David is Viscount Linley. Her daughter is Lady Sarah Chatto.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #786  
Old 12-30-2010, 12:42 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 1,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
Had Charles died while they were married she would have been HRH The Dowager Princess of Wales once someone else was given the title HRH The Princess of Wales but until then she would have remained simply as HRH The Princess of Wales.

The use of Diana wasn't a option as that applies to a divorced woman not a married one.

She would still have been wrongly called Princess Diana - as she was after the divorce.
Didn't that change? I seem to have heard that a lot of widows of the peerage prefer the title of First name, former title without the "The". And the Dowager title is only for the mother of the next holder of the title, not for a second wife?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #787  
Old 12-30-2010, 01:14 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,523
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kataryn View Post
Didn't that change? I seem to have heard that a lot of widows of the peerage prefer the title of First name, former title without the "The". And the Dowager title is only for the mother of the next holder of the title, not for a second wife?

First name, title without the The is the form of a divorced wife ala Diana, Princess of Wales, Sarah, Duchess of York.

The 'The' indicates that they are either the current wife of the titleholder of the widowed wife.

Dowager is for the wife of the titleholder, although normally that would be the mother of the next titleholder that is not necessarily the case. Dowager simply indicates the widow while there is another holding the title. If it was only for the mother of the next titleholder than there could be two people entitled to The Duchess of xxxx.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #788  
Old 12-30-2010, 01:17 AM
SweetHomeNC's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmkrcwi View Post
Princess Margaret's son David is Viscount Linley. Her daughter is Lady Sarah Chatto.
I know that much, but I guess I was wondering what their style is... like "The Rt Hon." or "The Honorable".
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #789  
Old 12-30-2010, 04:20 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,523
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetHomeNC View Post
I know that much, but I guess I was wondering what their style is... like "The Rt Hon." or "The Honorable".

Neither.

David is Viscount Linley or Lord Linley - Lord as the son of an earl which is higher than Honourable or Rt Honourable. Viscount Linley as Viscount is the second title of the Earl of Snowdon.

His children are Honourable as there is no third title for the Snowdon title for young Charles to use. When David becomes The Earl Snowdon then Charles will become Viscount Linley.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #790  
Old 12-30-2010, 07:50 AM
Lenora's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Moscow, Russia
Posts: 2,057
The changements made by George V

As I've understood George V applied such a royal law in order not to be many princes.For example,the title of Prince Michael of Kent is not hereditary.My question is:could the future kings(Charles or William) change this preview?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #791  
Old 12-30-2010, 11:50 AM
HM Queen Catherine's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Rendsburg, Germany
Posts: 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
Neither.

David is Viscount Linley or Lord Linley - Lord as the son of an earl which is higher than Honourable or Rt Honourable. Viscount Linley as Viscount is the second title of the Earl of Snowdon.

His children are Honourable as there is no third title for the Snowdon title for young Charles to use. When David becomes The Earl Snowdon then Charles will become Viscount Linley.
When David inherits the title from his father, he will become The Right Honourable The Earl of Snowdon.

Dukes are The Most Noble The Duke of..
The eldest son and heir of a duke is given one of his father's lesser titles as a courtesy; his younger sons and all his daughters are given the title Lord or Lady, followed by their first and last names.

Marquesses are The Most Honourable The Marquess of..
Same as for dukes.

Earls, Viscounts and Barons are The Right Honourable The Earl of.. The Right Honourable The Viscount.. The Right Honourable The Baron (or The Lord)..
The eldest son and heir of an earl or viscount is given one of his father's lesser titles as a courtesy, if one exists; his younger sons are given the title The Honourable. Daughters of earls are given the title Lady, while daughters of viscounts and all the children of barons are given the title The Honourable.

Likewise, there are others who may hold the honorific of The Right Honourable.. these include all members of the Privy Council of the United Kingdom and the Privy Council of Northern Ireland, and the Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, Canada and New Zealand. The appointment of Australians to the Privy Council was abolished in 1986, so the Prime Minister of Australia does not hold the honorific.

However, these honorifics are usually only applied when addressing envelopes and on official documents.. they are not in general usage when addressing people in person, either formally or informally.
__________________
Ú i vethed...nâ i onnad. Minlû pedich nin i aur hen telitha. - Arwen & Aragorn, The Lord of the Rings
(English translation: "This is not the end... it is the beginning. You told me once, this day would come.")
Reply With Quote
  #792  
Old 12-30-2010, 11:59 AM
HM Queen Catherine's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Rendsburg, Germany
Posts: 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenora View Post
As I've understood George V applied such a royal law in order not to be many princes.For example,the title of Prince Michael of Kent is not hereditary.My question is:could the future kings(Charles or William) change this preview?
Technically I suppose they could.. but this a very remote possibility and is unlikely to ever happen. I don't think the British people or the Commonwealth would take kindly to an expansion of the royal family..
__________________
Ú i vethed...nâ i onnad. Minlû pedich nin i aur hen telitha. - Arwen & Aragorn, The Lord of the Rings
(English translation: "This is not the end... it is the beginning. You told me once, this day would come.")
Reply With Quote
  #793  
Old 01-05-2011, 01:02 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 19
When Beatrice and Eugenie marry will they gain titles such as HRH Princess Eugenie, Duchess/Countess of ..... and then the husband would take a title.....and be HRH. If they did that then the husbands would seem higher than there wives.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #794  
Old 01-05-2011, 02:22 AM
Mermaid1962's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NearTheCoast, Canada
Posts: 5,214
Only if the husband was given a title, such as Anthony Armstrong-Jones received the title Earl of Snowdon when he married HRH The Princess Margaret. That meant that their children received the titles of Viscount Linley and Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones but not the HRH. The name "Lady" is the courtesy title of the daughter of an Earl. Husbands who marry princess of the British Royal Family don't become Royal Highnesses, although women marrying British princes do...as any woman takes her husband's style under English common law. HRH The Princess Anne married Capt. Mark Phillips and was known as HRH The Princess Anne Mrs. Mark Phillips. Now of course she's known as HRH The Princess Royal.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam20045 View Post
When Beatrice and Eugenie marry will they gain titles such as HRH Princess Eugenie, Duchess/Countess of ..... and then the husband would take a title.....and be HRH. If they did that then the husbands would seem higher than there wives.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #795  
Old 01-05-2011, 07:54 AM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,211
I don't think this will happen.

I can see Beatrice becoming HRH Princess Beatrice of York, Mrs. David Clark....similiar to her aunt's title during her first marriage. The only way she will become a Duchess, Lady or whatever is if she marries someone who currently holds a title.

I can't see the Queen, or Charles or William giving any husband of Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie or Louise an additional title.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #796  
Old 01-05-2011, 09:26 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam20045 View Post
When Beatrice and Eugenie marry will they gain titles such as HRH Princess Eugenie, Duchess/Countess of ..... and then the husband would take a title.....and be HRH. If they did that then the husbands would seem higher than there wives.
They won't get any additional titles, and it is unlikely that the husbands of the yorks will recieve their own titles aka Duke or Earl of whereever.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #797  
Old 01-05-2011, 03:59 PM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,523
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam20045 View Post
When Beatrice and Eugenie marry will they gain titles such as HRH Princess Eugenie, Duchess/Countess of ..... and then the husband would take a title.....and be HRH. If they did that then the husbands would seem higher than there wives.

No they won't gain any titles - unless tragedy has struck the family and Beatrice is the heiress apparent - e.g. Charles, William, Harry and Andrew are all dead leaving no one to come between Beatrice and the throne. In that case I would expect the husband to get a Dukedom like Philip did but as long as they are simply male-line granddaughters of the monarch no - just like Princess Alexandra's husband wasn't given a title when they married.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #798  
Old 01-05-2011, 05:04 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,211
But in regards to Princess Alexandra of Kent, the Queen offered to title Angus Olgivy and the couple said no.

In the case of Beatrice, Eugenie or even Louise I don't think it will be an option.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #799  
Old 01-05-2011, 06:42 PM
MRSJ's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: ******, United States
Posts: 1,844
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk
But in regards to Princess Alexandra of Kent, the Queen offered to title Angus Olgivy and the couple said no.

In the case of Beatrice, Eugenie or even Louise I don't think it will be an option.
Should their husbands be offered and accept a title then they'd take thier husbands title, yes? Othewise would their title be like Princess Alexandra.... i.e. Princess Beatrice, Mrs. Smith .....
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #800  
Old 01-05-2011, 06:51 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,211
Yes, that is correct.

Princess Alexandra of Kent, was HRH Princess Alexandra of Kent, Mrs. Angus Olgivy when she married, and he was granted a title (became a Knight Commander of the Victorian Order in 1988) and became Sir Angus Olgivy than she became HRH Princess Alexandra of Kent, Lady Olgivy. And his title didn't pass on to their son, James.

It should noted that the couple married in 1963 and he didn't get his title until 25 years later based on the support he provided to Princess Alexandra doing her duties and his charity events.

If Princess Beatrice married David Clark she would be HRH Princess Beatrice of York, Mrs. David Clark.
__________________

__________________
.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
british royal family, consort, spouse, styles and titles


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Questions About [non-British] Styles and Titles Lord Sosnowitz Royal Ceremony and Protocol 729 10-09-2014 04:24 PM
Titles and Styles of Harry, his Future Wife and Children Aussie Princess Prince Harry and Prince William 1110 07-12-2014 10:00 PM
Diana's Styles and Titles florawindsor Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997) 573 11-14-2013 11:59 AM
Styles and Titles Nahla10 Ruling Family of Dubai 36 08-08-2013 12:05 PM
Abdication Beatrix and Inauguration WA: Titles, Names, Succession, Precedence Princess Robijn Abdication & Inauguration 2013 67 05-24-2013 03:14 PM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events duchess of cambridge fashion genealogy grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jewellery jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg nobility olympic games ottoman pom president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess anita princess astrid princess beatrix princess charlene princess claire princess laurentien princess letizia princess madeleine princess marilene princess mary princess mary fashion princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden the hague wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:31 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]