The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #721  
Old 06-09-2010, 01:30 AM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 177
Michelleq

HSH Princess Victoria (later Queen Ina of Spain) was elevated to the status of HRH shortly before her marriage. HSH Princess May of Teck became a RH on her marriage to the Duke of York, later Prince of Wales and then King George V. The grand daughters of Edward VII, who's mother was The Princess Royal, were made princesses but afforded only the style Her Highness. HH is below the rank of HRH but above the rank of HSH.

Zonk

You may well be correct but I do not think the noble brothers, Henry and Louis of Battenberg were ever given the style HRH, or made princes of Great Britain and Ireland by their mother in law and grandmother in law, Queen Victoria. Henry married a HRH and Louis a HDH, but all their children remained Serene Highnesses until 1917. After which time they were given peerages or the courtesy titles of Lord and Lady. The same with the Teck family.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #722  
Old 06-09-2010, 02:32 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,253

Prince Henry of Battenberg was granted the style of Royal Highness by Queen Victoria on the day of his wedding to Princess Beatrice to give him equal rank with his wife.
In December 1886, five weeks after the birth of their first child, a Royal Warrant by Queen Victoria granted the style of Highness to their issue.
__________________

__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #723  
Old 07-26-2010, 04:28 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,776
Has anyone heard of the possible elimination of her title, HRH? I could have dreamed it. Same for Eugenie.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #724  
Old 07-26-2010, 05:05 PM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,328
Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyAtlanta View Post
Has anyone heard of the possible elimination of her title, HRH? I could have dreamed it. Same for Eugenie.


About 10 or so years ago it was rumoured that there was a suggestion that they were going to downsize the royal family and thus reduce the number of HRHs to the children of the monarch and the children of the eldest child (which would also mean in the future that Harry's children wouldn't get HRH even in Charles' reign). I believe the suggestion came from Charles and may even be that when he realised that stripping Beatrice and Eugenie would have to mean no HRH for Harry's children in the future the idea seemed to drop - at least from within the royal family sources itself (I am simply guessing here as to why the idea hasn't really been floated by those ubiquitous 'royal sources' since)

As there are currently only 14 who have the HRH by birth and another 6 by marriage and 7 of those are through their relationship to George V (namely grandchildren in the male line - Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Prince and Princess Michael of Kent and Princess Alexandra), 2 more aren't using it (Louise and James) there are only 11 who have it from the Queen and 4 of them are over 60 and 3 more over 40 there are only 4 under 30 it seems that Beatrice and Eugenie will keep theirs and become full time royals replacing the Gloucesters and Kents in time, particularly if William and Harry take their time about adding HRH's through marriage.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #725  
Old 07-28-2010, 10:44 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bronx, United States
Posts: 421
They'll probably let those who have it keep it, let nature thin the numbers and then set up the stricter system as suggested above. You'll only have two people left who can pass the title along anyway and I doubt they're going to have four or five kids each so I doubt the numbers will ever get that high again even without a rule change.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #726  
Old 07-29-2010, 06:31 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by misselle View Post
When a commoner bride marries a prince,she takes his title and given name. Kate'a proper title would be HRH Princess William of Wales.But people and the media would not call her by her proper title;they'd probably call her "Princess Kate"since they are not overly concerned with proper titles. She'd become the Princess of Wales when Charles ascends the throne and William,as heir apparent would assume the titles of Prince of Wales Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. Will William also have an investiture service after his father becomes king...does he need the investiture ceremony to formally adopt these titles?
There is no assumption of the title "The Prince of Wales." It is bestowed at the pleasure of the sitting monarch. When Charles becomes King, it will be up to him whether William is ever elevated to the Wales title.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #727  
Old 07-30-2010, 10:09 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,076
Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver_bic View Post
TYou'll only have two people left who can pass the title along
Two people left to pass what title?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver_bic View Post
I doubt the numbers will ever get that high again even without a rule change.
Charles doesn't want the numbers to get higher, or stay the same. He wants them to get less.

Eugenie and Beatrice will not loose their HRH until William has children and/or The Duke of Duchess of Kent, Gloucester and Prince Michael and his wife pass away.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #728  
Old 07-30-2010, 10:55 AM
Duchessmary's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: San Diego, United States
Posts: 1,074
Why would they lose their HRH if William has children? They're the Duke of York's daughters, and entitled to the HRH.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #729  
Old 07-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,076
Yes they are entitled to it, but if Prince Charles wants to reduce the HRH's, Eugenie and Beatrice will be the first to go. When William and Harry marry and have children that adds two other HRH's for the wives, and however many for the kids they have.
The wives of W & H can take over whatever duties Bea and Eugenie do.

That's when I think they will loose their HRH's, after William and Harry have kids.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #730  
Old 07-30-2010, 11:49 AM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,142
They won't lose their HRH's. As already pointed out, the number of HRH's will decrease anyway due to death. The only current HRH's that can pass on their titles will be Charles, Andrew, Edward (if he decides to let his kids be HRH's), William and Harry. The Dukes of Gloucester and Kent titles will be held by His Grace's in the next generation and Beatrice and Eugenie will be needed to perform royal duties when the current generation dies out before William and Harry marry (for example, if they don't marry until their mid to late 30's). I had a conversation with someone last night and we figured out that most of the current HRH's are in their 60's and 70's (Anne, Charles, Edward Kent, Prince Phillip, Princess Alexandra and the Queen). I mean really, they are already at or past retirement age but won't truly retire. In addition, Beatrice and Eugenie can't pass on their HRH titles so it doesn't really matter.

So if you want to get technical in 10 to 20 years the royal family could exist of Charles, Anne, Edward, Sophie, Andrew, Camilla, Beatrice, Eugenie, William and Harry. There is more than enough work to go around.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #731  
Old 07-30-2010, 12:36 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bronx, United States
Posts: 421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
Two people left to pass what title?
Only William and Harry can pass along the HRH everyone else either isn't having any more children or can't pass it on so there would be no reason to strip the York girls.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
Charles doesn't want the numbers to get higher, or stay the same. He wants them to get less.

Eugenie and Beatrice will not loose their HRH until William has children and/or The Duke of Duchess of Kent, Gloucester and Prince Michael and his wife pass away.
It's unlikely that either William or Harry will pop out four or five kids, so the numbers won't inflate and Harry's kids wouldn't be able to pass it on and if Charles were to be skipped on the throne then Harry technically couldn't pass it on either since he has it via being a male line grandchild of the monarch though I think that William would issue letters patent to his kids as you never know what could happen.

If the Wales boys have two kids each that's ten* HRH's n that generation, four in William and Harry's family's each and the York girls, in a few decades and, barring William or his kids not taking the throne, seven of them can't pass it on (William's wife, Harry and his family and the York girls). By then you'll probably have the law changed so that the eldest child, regardless of gender will inherit and the HRH is only the monarch and they're immediate family.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
Yes they are entitled to it, but if Prince Charles wants to reduce the HRH's, Eugenie and Beatrice will be the first to go. When William and Harry marry and have children that adds two other HRH's for the wives, and however many for the kids they have.
The wives of W & H can take over whatever duties Bea and Eugenie do.

That's when I think they will loose their HRH's, after William and Harry have kids.
I would think the first to go might be the Queen's cousins, probably Michael of Kent as he and his wife perform no duties. Why take out two young members of the clan, your nieces, who can perform hundreds of duties a year between them, in favor of an older couple, first cousins once removed, who've done little for the firm.


*Assuming James and Louise don't take up their birthright. Their parents chose not to give them titles but legally they are a prince and princess.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #732  
Old 07-30-2010, 01:32 PM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,076
Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver_bic View Post
It's unlikely that either William or Harry will pop out four or five kids, so the numbers won't inflate and Harry's kids wouldn't be able to pass it on and if Charles were to be skipped on the throne then Harry technically couldn't pass it on either since he has it via being a male line grandchild of the monarch though I think that William would issue letters patent to his kids as you never know what could happen.
Why is it unlikely that they will have four kids?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver_bic View Post
I would think the first to go might be the Queen's cousins, probably Michael of Kent as he and his wife perform no duties. Why take out two young members of the clan, your nieces, who can perform hundreds of duties a year between them, in favor of an older couple, first cousins once removed, who've done little for the firm.
Actually Michael and his wife do a lot of work for the royal family, check the current events thread.
You talking like I said take them out now? I said they will probably loose them, when they are no longer needed when William and Harry's wives come along.


Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver_bic View Post
*Assuming James and Louise don't take up their birthright. Their parents chose not to give them titles but legally they are a prince and princess.
I don't see them doing that, they have been brought up with out an HRH, to change when they are older IMO would be silly.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #733  
Old 07-30-2010, 02:22 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bronx, United States
Posts: 421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
Why is it unlikely that they will have four kids?



Actually Michael and his wife do a lot of work for the royal family, check the current events thread.
You talking like I said take them out now? I said they will probably loose them, when they are no longer needed when William and Harry's wives come along.

I don't see them doing that, they have been brought up with out an HRH, to change when they are older IMO would be silly.
People have less kids nowadays that's why I think it's unlikely that they would have more than a couple kids.

I didn't say anything about you claiming that they would lose them now. I'm pointing out that it makes less sense to strip them of their titles considering how much more they can do over the next few decades than anyone else.

A wife would have to be groomed for such a job and even then they wouldn't be able to take on the many things on their own faster than the York girls would.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #734  
Old 07-30-2010, 02:44 PM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,076
Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver_bic View Post
People have less kids nowadays that's why I think it's unlikely that they would have more than a couple kids.

I didn't say anything about you claiming that they would lose them now. I'm pointing out that it makes less sense to strip them of their titles considering how much more they can do over the next few decades than anyone else.

A wife would have to be groomed for such a job and even then they wouldn't be able to take on the many things on their own faster than the York girls would.
A wife could be taught, during her engagement and IMO she could take on as many things as she wanted to when she was not pregnant. Beatrice and Eugenie are unlikely to do that much IMO.
But in a few decades, there will be other people to do the jobs for them, people like William and Harry's wives, you say that they need to be groomed for the job, well in a few decades i'm sure they will be doing just fine.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #735  
Old 07-30-2010, 03:26 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,142
How do you figure that Beatrice and Eugenie will do less?

According to the British Royal website, the Royal Family current has over 3000 patronages. The Queen alone has 600. The Duke of Edinburgh has798 , Prince Charles has 467, Prince Andrew has 129 and Princess Anne has 281. This of course does not include real actual engagements.


The Duke of Gloucester has 128, the Duke of Kent has 126 , the Duchess of Gloucester has 67, and Princess Alexandra has 116.

In the next 7 to 10 years the BRF faces the possiblity that the Kents and Gloucesters or God forbid the Queen and Prince Phillip will not be around to do any royal duties. If anything, I would expect them to lessen their work load (and rightfully so as teh Queen in 84, Anne is 60, Edward of Kent is75 , Alexandra of Kent is 74, Richard of Gloucester is 66).

So you are basically saying that if the royal family loses five people, Harry and William's wife can pick up all of that slack?
They can certainly pick up some but I would expect somewhat of a learning curve (hopefully the TRF has learned not to throw people in the water) and what if they have children, do we expect them to perform duties past the 6 month period or while the kids are less than a month or two?

And yes, the Royal Family certainly does not need to have all these patronages but their presence brings attention to certain causes that are as well known as others. And for those who suggest that celebrities can pick up patronages, they certainly can, but celebrity life is hot and cold. I mean, 10 years ago I could name a different hot and well known British actress that probably for a variety of reasons might not be as well known today.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #736  
Old 07-30-2010, 03:38 PM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,076
I never said they would do less, I said they weren't going to be excedding anyones expectation. IMO neither of them really have a sense of drive in the form of royal work, they seem fine being who they are. That's going to change when they hit the spotlight.

I'm not saying to cut them out the minute William and Harry have wives, but they could more than likely live a comfortable out of the spotlight life and still partially participate in events.
That's one of my points, the royal is going to loose five people and only gain two, surely they have to realise they need to down size what they do.

Celebrities running patronages that was belonged to a royal, wouldn't feel right IMO.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #737  
Old 07-30-2010, 04:23 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skydragon View Post
Err, where exactly is thingumabob
I would say that "thingamabob" equals "wotsit."
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #738  
Old 07-30-2010, 04:54 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kotroman View Post
So, it was an agreement between Philip and the King of the Hellenes? Weren't there any documents at all?

There is no such thing as renunciation of peerage titles in the United Kingdom. You inherit the title, you bear the title. I'm afraid Edward will just have to wait for both of his parents to die to get the title.
Hummmm....if Philip predeceases HM The Queen, she would have every right to bestow the Edinburg on whomever she wanted on the day the current Duke is pronounced dead. Right or not?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #739  
Old 07-30-2010, 04:56 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,142
KittyAtlanta....the Duke of Edinburgh and what happens when the current Duke passes is being discussed The future of the Duke of Edinburgh title
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #740  
Old 07-30-2010, 05:26 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,776
"whlist married to her former husband andrew parker- bowles, whom is a catholic, did she convert over to his faith, and if so, did she (on her divorce) covert back to the church of england ? ."

Camilla was always a Catholic. That is why the union with Prince Charles didn't take place 40 years ago. HM would not grant permission.

"Technically, the Line of the Succession is discriminative only towards the Catholics."

That needs to be --- Technically, the Line of Succession is discriminative only towards ROMAN Catholics.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
british royal family, consort, spouse, styles and titles


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Titles and Styles of Harry, his Future Wife and Children Aussie Princess Prince Harry and Prince William 1101 Today 05:10 AM
Questions About [non-British] Styles and Titles Lord Sosnowitz Royal Ceremony and Protocol 717 05-17-2014 05:44 PM
Diana's Styles and Titles florawindsor Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997) 573 11-14-2013 10:59 AM
Styles and Titles Nahla10 Ruling Family of Dubai 36 08-08-2013 12:05 PM
Abdication Beatrix and Inauguration WA: Titles, Names, Succession, Precedence Princess Robijn Abdication & Inauguration 2013 67 05-24-2013 03:14 PM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit current events diana fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri habsburg infanta cristina infanta elena infanta leonor infanta sofia king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander olympics ottoman palace picture of the month pom president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince felix prince floris prince frederik prince pieter-christiaan princess princess alexia (2005 -) princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess haya princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess marie princess mary princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia spain state visit sweden wedding william


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:10 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]