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Old 07-05-2009, 11:55 AM
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I guess she is Anglican; something like Prince Michael, who has married a Catholis but who is Anglican...But Camilla's first marriage is ended in a divorce, and here is the problem: a future head of the Anglican Church (that refuses the divorce) who is married to a divorced woman...
About your first question, it seems that this person has to convert...
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:03 PM
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yes, i understand, anything after the first 100 shown in the line of succession would be rather academic !!!

thank you marsel and mafan........
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I guess she is Anglican; something like Prince Michael, who has married a Catholis but who is Anglican...But Camilla's first marriage is ended in a divorce, and here is the problem: a future head of the Anglican Church (that refuses the divorce) who is married to a divorced woman...
About your first question, it seems that this person has to convert...
Camilla remained Anglican during her marriage to Parker-Bowles, so there was no issue there. The Church now recognizes divorce and remarriage, so there was no obstacle to Charles and Camilla marrying, especially since Charles was considered to be a widower, rather than a divorcee, in the eyes of the Church.

The matter was a political one, in terms of whether the Government was prepared to consent to it. Since the public was willing to accept it, Blair and the Archbishop of Canterbury both gave their approval.
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Old 07-05-2009, 01:52 PM
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Did they really need the consent of the Government? Not only the consent of the Queen and/or of her Privy Council?
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:14 PM
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does this mean that if a greek or russian orthodox were to succeed to the british throne, they may have to renounce that faith and covert to the established church of england to be sovereign ........ ?.

one must remember that the sovereign is also the head of the church.
it would seem a little odd that the head of the church is a member of the greek / russian orthodox church !!!!
This brings up an interesting thought that I found earlier on this illustrious forum. Somewhere it has been stated that one thought of the Prince of Wales when he accedes the throne was thinking he'd prefer the title of "Defender of Faiths" rather than Defender of the Faith. I think this would be due to the fact that the UK (as anywhere else) is a global community as far as practices of faith go.

About Camilla and faith. I believe she stayed with her Angelican faith but upon marriage to APB promised that their children would be raised Catholic.
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:21 PM
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I agree this is the sole reason for her decision. It would not have been acceptable, given that Diana was the mother of William and Harry and died with the style "Princess of Wales".
Another reason is that I've come to realize Camilla is also a woman of grace and class in that she realizes its not whatever title and style she is known by, but her duty and actions that reflect on her husband the Prince of Wales and King Charles in the future. She's a very down to earth person and in that respect I think she's alot like HM.
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Old 07-05-2009, 05:59 PM
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Did they really need the consent of the Government? Not only the consent of the Queen and/or of her Privy Council?
The government is a subset of the Privy Council (I believe the cabinet is actually a committee of the council), and they are the only members of the Privy Council who give constitutional advice to the Queen on a day-to-day basis, so getting consent from the Privy Council is the same as getting consent from the government.
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Did they really need the consent of the Government? Not only the consent of the Queen and/or of her Privy Council?
The Queen could not have granted her consent without taking advice from the Privy Council, which constitutionally she must do. But the important consent would be The Prime Minister's after taking soundings in the Cabinet and the Commons.
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Old 01-23-2010, 05:53 PM
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Exclamation Descent of Titles

Question - once a person either refuses or doesn't claim their title.. what happens? Can a family member descended from them step up and claim it years later? If not, does it become extinct or passed on to another close descendant i.e. another sister/brother?
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:31 PM
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The title will be not used during the lifetime of the person who refused it, and after his death the title will be inherited by his closest male relative.
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:57 PM
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The title will be not used during the lifetime of the person who refused it, and after his death the title will be inherited by his closest male relative.
So basically once it's gone - it's gone? You cannot "reclaim" it? I know these are dumb questions - but I'm not up to date with the laws of Britain. So, the only way you can receive a title is if Her Majesty grants you one?
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No. Say the heir to the current Earl Spencer decided when his father died that he didn't wish to use that title he can simply say 'I am not going to be Earl Spencer'. However when he died, his son decides that he wants to be Earl Spencer he is able to do so because the title is his by inheritance. Just because his father said "I am not going to be Earl Spencer" doesn't deprive his heirs from holding that title.

The only way that that happens is if the monarch strips the title from the holder and the successors.

Another example would by the various titles removed during World War One. Althought the heirs haven't done so they can actually petition to have the title restored. Those titles can't be re-issued while their are legitimate heirs, who aren't using the titles, or able to by the Deprivations Act but the titles are still in existance.
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Another example can be the title of Earl of Home: in 1963 the 14th Earl of Home, Alec Douglas-Home, disclaimed his title, that was no longer used until his death; when he died in 1995, his son David automatically became the 15th Earl.
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What happens in the meantime. If the title includes property, does the inheritor-but-not-user continue to maintain the property (use the farm, etc.)?
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:57 PM
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They have the right to use the property and the responsibility to maintain it just as any other owner of property does.
They might decide to establish a trust to run it but there is no reason why the property wouldn't still be his.
Unless the property is entailed (to male heirs for instance) even when a title becomes extinct the property can remain in the family e.g. my distant relatives had their title go extint in about 2000 due to no sons or nephews to inherit but the daughters were able to inherit all the property - house, shares, position in the family company etc. All they didn't get was the actual title.
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Old 01-30-2010, 05:59 PM
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Thank you so much. I read somewhere about a man that tried to regain a title - but was denied. How does one go about petitioning to have the title restored? Do you have to write the Queen or whom??
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Old 01-30-2010, 08:47 PM
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You would technically apply to the Queen who would then check with the appropriate office to find out if the person is entitled to the honour. They would also check into why the original title bearer lost the title.
In the case of those who lost their titles under the Titles Deprivation Act the Parliament would also have to be involved as an Act of Parliament was involved in the deprivation of the title meaning that Parliament would have to be involved in restitution.
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The only way that that happens is if the monarch strips the title from the holder and the successors.
The monarch doesn't have the power to do that. Peerages can only be stripped (and letters patent can only be amended) by Act of Parliament (or in accordance with an Act of Parliament, such as the Titles Deprivation Act).
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:10 PM
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It might require legislation but the Queen also has to approve and can also instigate that - it isn't only one way.
In addition in the past monarchs have had the power to strip people of their titles (a long time ago I admit).
Sorry I worded my original post very badly and never meant to imply that the present Queen had rights that her predecessors had lost.
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Sarah's title

Hi,

Can somebody tell me about Sarah's title. I know that she is called sarah duchess of York, but why is it not The Duchess and why is she still called duchess anyway, (she is divorced from the prince)? Does this give her some income, privileges, obligations? Or is it just a title?

What about when she remarries? is she keeping her title?

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