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Old 01-04-2008, 10:48 AM
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This may sound like a stupid question but I'm not familiar with the British monarchy and it has been spinning in my brain for quite a while haha. If Harry would marry Chelsy, or any other girl, what would their titles be?

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Old 01-04-2008, 12:28 PM
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This may sound like a stupid question but I'm not familiar with the British monarchy and it has been spinning in my brain for quite a while haha. If Harry would marry Chelsy, or any other girl, what would their titles be?

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Right now, Princess Henry of Wales. That's without him being given a peerage of any kind, though.
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The tradition would be for The Sovereign (whether The Queen or a future King Charles III) to create him a Duke the morning of his wedding. In that case, his wife would take her style as a Duchess (i.e. HRH The Duchess of Cambridge) with the rank of a Princess (HRH Princess Henry of Wales).
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Thanks a lot So is this why Princess Michael of Kent has the name of her husband??!! Hey, I'm starting to look through that whole thing haha. And I've wondered for many years why a woman is called Michael LOL!
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:14 AM
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I think it's the same as when a woman marries and takes her husband's name. For example Miss Susan Jones marries Mr. Paul Harris and becomes Mrs. Paul Harris.
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Prehaps it's worth making one thing clear, when marrying a royal prince the lady does not get to choose whether or not to be 'princess'. See is titled; Princess (husband's name). Even Diana was offically Princess Charles and not Princess Diana, the media simply called her that and it stuck. Thus when Sarah married Prince Andrew she became, HRH Princess Andrew, Duchess of York, Sophie became HRH Princess Edward, Countess of Wessex. The only royal to marry and receive the title Prince/Princess in thier own right is Prince Phillip but thats a long story. lol.
Also its intresting that only the children of the monarch can be titled HRH The Prince Charles, The Prince Andrew, The Prince Edward, The Princess Ann. Grandchildren of the monarch are simly Prince/Princess, eg HRH Princess Beatrice, HRH Prince William.

Thats all folks.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:47 PM
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Diana was never "HRH The Princess Charles" because her title as the wife of The Prince of Wales took precedence over all others. She was always and only "HRH The Princess of Wales" while married.

The media did call her "Princess Diana" which was always incorrect and she often would correct journalists. Later, with separation, the Palace did state it was acceptable to address her as such since she was the mother of a future king.

With divorce, she lost her rank and style through marriage and became "Diana, Princess of Wales". Again, because she was the mother of Prince William, The Queen granted her unique precedence and dignity and permitted her to remain "The Princess" in style, but downgraded by the loss of HRH.
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:49 PM
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Diana was never "HRH The Princess Charles" because her title as the wife of The Prince of Wales took precedence over all others. She was always and only "HRH The Princess of Wales" while married.
She was both. Titles can be layered over each other (which is why Camilla can be styled Duchess of Cornwall).
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:34 PM
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I was surprised to see Chelsy and Kate seated in the Garter Chapel part of St. George's. The Garter Chapel (where the actual marriage ceremony took place) is very small --- the Royal family sits there and all of the most important guests including the Royals. Shows how important Chelsy and Kate have become.
Kate would not automatically become Princess of Wales if she marries William in the near future. Charles is THE Prince of Wales. Upon his marriage, William
will no doubt be given a ducal title. Kate would probably be: HRH The Duchess of Blahblah (maybe Princess Katherine if the monarch allows the Princess title). But not THE Princess of Wales if Charles is still alive.
When Charles becomes King, the title of the Prince of Wales does not automatically get passed down to William. It is the at the discretion of the
Monarch to award it to the eldest son.
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:45 PM
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Kate would not automatically become Princess of Wales if she marries William in the near future. Charles is THE Prince of Wales. Upon his marriage, William will no doubt be given a ducal title. Kate would probably be: HRH The Duchess of Blahblah (maybe Princess Katherine if the monarch allows the Princess title). But not THE Princess of Wales if Charles is still alive.
When Charles becomes King, the title of the Prince of Wales does not automatically get passed down to William. It is the at the discretion of the
Monarch to award it to the eldest son.
Catherine would be Princess William of Wales, not the Princess of Wales.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:16 PM
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Thank you for the pictures Keira, although I would point out that Catherine will not be the Princess of Wales.
Could you explain how come? Is it some agreement they came to after Diana's death or is it more just like a rule I dunno how to explain it. I'm not really good at figuring who gets what title.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:49 PM
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Thank you for the pictures Keira, although I would point out that Catherine will not be the Princess of Wales.
Were you being literal or just mean? Because if Kate were to marry Wills she would eventually become the Princess of Wales. She woudl initially be the Duchess of something (I've heard it was going to be Duke and Duchess of Cambridge for Wills), but when Charles becomes King Wills would become Prince of Wales, making his wife Princess of Wales... Right?
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If Charles follows British Royal family tradition, William will be the next Prince of Wales once Charles is King. However, it does not appear likely that Harry will be the Duke of York (the title historically given to the second son of the reigning monarch). It is for Charles to decide whether or not to follow tradition once he has the throne. Somehow I think he probably will.

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Could you explain how come? Is it some agreement they came to after Diana's death or is it more just like a rule I dunno how to explain it. I'm not really good at figuring who gets what title.
If Kate marries Prince William, she will only become Princess of Wales when Prince Charles ascends the throne and when Prince William is officially made the Prince of Wales.

Right now the real Princess of Wales is Camilla but she preferred to take the secondary title of Duchess of Cornwall (Prince Cahrles is also the Duke of Cornwall) because the members of the public generally still link the title to the late Diana.
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If Kate marries Prince William, she will only become Princess of Wales when Prince Charles ascends the throne and when Prince William is officially made the Prince of Wales.

Right now the real Princess of Wales is Camilla but she preferred to take the secondary title of Duchess of Cornwall (Prince Cahrles is also the Duke of Cornwall) because the members of the public generally still link the title to the late Diana.
Ya that's what I thought so then technically she will eventually someday be Princess of Wales. I know it's rightfully Camilla's title but I just can't bring myself to call her that, not cause I don't like her or anything I'm way past that it just sounds weird to me.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:34 AM
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Catherine would be Princess William of Wales, not the Princess of Wales.
Wrong. She would be (presuming Wills is created PoW) HRH The Princess of Wales, same as Diana was. Diana was never known as Princess Charles of Wales.
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:44 PM
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Wrong. She would be (presuming Wills is created PoW) HRH The Princess of Wales, same as Diana was. Diana was never known as Princess Charles of Wales.
Unless the Queen or Charles die, the title is held by Charles. William cannot be The Prince of Wales while ever HM and Charles are alive. So unless William is going to wait for HM to die before marrying anyone, his wife will be Princess William of Wales.
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Unless the Queen or Charles die, the title is held by Charles. William cannot be The Prince of Wales while ever HM and Charles are alive. So unless William is going to wait for HM to die before marrying anyone, his wife will be Princess William of Wales.
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She would be (presuming Wills is created PoW) HRH The Princess of Wales
That sort of presupposes HM's (hopefully far-away) death and Charles' accession.
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Presuming they marry within the year and not in the far distant future her name will be Princess William of Wales! William may not be made The Prince of Wales at all, there is no guarantee.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:28 PM
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When a commoner bride marries a prince,she takes his title and given name. Kate'a proper title would be HRH Princess William of Wales.But people and the media would not call her by her proper title;they'd probably call her "Princess Kate"since they are not overly concerned with proper titles. She'd become the Princess of Wales when Charles ascends the throne and William,as heir apparent would assume the titles of Prince of Wales Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. Will William also have an investiture service after his father becomes king...does he need the investiture ceremony to formally adopt these titles?
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