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Old 04-28-2007, 03:22 PM
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I am sure that branchg knows for sure, but I think that she is referred to properly as HRH The Princess Royal (and Mrs. Timothy Laurence is not attached).
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I am sure that branchg knows for sure, but I think that she properly referred to as HRH The Princess Royal (and Mrs. Timothy Laurence is not attached).
Thanks, I did suspect that Mrs. Timothy Laurence would not be used.
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Is it correct to use Mrs. Timothy Laurence in connection with HRH The Princess Royal?

She used to be known as HRH The Princess Anne, Mrs. Mark Phillips and I was wondering if you can now use HRH The Princess Royal, Mrs. Timothy Laurence.
She is only titled HRH The Princess Royal as it takes precedence over her birthright style (HRH The Princess Anne) and any status derived from her marriage ("Mrs. Timothy Lawrence").
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Old 05-04-2007, 11:00 PM
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Thank you, branchg, I looked for the correct answer (and the reasoning), but I suspected you'd know! (Poor Tim, like the Duke of E., nothing but a bloody amoeba.)
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If the Queen issues new Letters Patent, changing the LPs from 1917 limiting the title HRH Prince/Princess to only the children of the heir to the throne for instance then both Beatrice and Eugenie would lose their HRH etc. That is exactly what happened in 1917 when various Princes and Princesses lost their titles.

Diana and Sarah lost the HRH because it came with the marriage and went when the marriages ended.

The style they used after their divorces was that of a divorced woman. If Sarah remarries she will cease to be eligible to use the Duchess of York style at all as she would be the wife of another man.

The persons affected by the letters patent of 1917 didn't lose their titles. For example, HH Prince Alastair of Connaught didn't cease to be an HH or a Prince, for the letters patent was not to affect to present holders, only to the future possible holders according to the old patent.I think he was wrongly downsized to Alastair Windsor.
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They did cease to hold the qualification of Highness and/or Serene Highness, along with any titles granted by the German duchies and kingdoms.

In general, great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria remained a Prince/Princess of Great Britain and Ireland as a courtesy.
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:15 AM
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Thx for all these informations. Titles can be very irritating
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Old 05-14-2007, 01:05 PM
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She is only titled HRH The Princess Royal as it takes precedence over her birthright style (HRH The Princess Anne) and any status derived from her marriage ("Mrs. Timothy Lawrence").
It makes sense - especially as she is the daughter of a duke in addition so should have been HRH The Princess Anne, Lady Anne Philips... Daughters of dukes, marquesses or earls are never just plain Mrs., they are Lady first name last (name of husband or family) name.
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It makes sense - especially as she is the daughter of a duke in addition so should have been HRH The Princess Anne, Lady Anne Philips... Daughters of dukes, marquesses or earls are never just plain Mrs., they are Lady first name last (name of husband or family) name.
Don't forget, her father is a ROYAL Duke. When she was born, until her mother became the Queen, she was HRH Princess Ann of Edinburgh. She was never known as Lady Ann, just as Beatrice and Eugenie are not.
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Charles and Anne were HRH Prince/Princess of the UK via letters patent issued by George VI. Otherwise, as female-line grandchildren of The Sovereign, they would indeed have simply been Lord/Lady Windsor as the children of The Duke of Edinburgh until Elizabeth became Queen.
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Charles and Anne were HRH Prince/Princess of the UK via letters patent issued by George VI. Otherwise, as female-line grandchildren of The Sovereign, they would indeed have simply been Lord/Lady Windsor as the children of The Duke of Edinburgh until Elizabeth became Queen.
they were '...of Edinburgh' as well until their mother became Queen.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:45 AM
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they were '...of Edinburgh' as well until their mother became Queen.

Actually Charles would have been known as the Earl of Merioneth - the second title of the Duke of Edinburgh and traditionally this title is used by the heir to a Dukedom (or other title). e.g. Earl Spencer's heir is known as Viscount Althorp and Lord Snowdon's son is known as Viscount Linley because these titles are the second title of their father's. Without the Letters Patent of 1948 Charles wouldn't have used the Lord Charles title but the Earl of Merioneth one (he still can use that of course because he is also the heir to the Dukedom of Edinburgh) but I have never seen it listed amongst his titles - another slight to his father who once famously said, when talking about the names of his descendents "I am just an ameoba"
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. Without the Letters Patent of 1948 Charles wouldn't have used the Lord Charles title but the Earl of Merioneth one (he still can use that of course because he is also the heir to the Dukedom of Edinburgh) but I have never seen it listed amongst his titles
Actually, Chrissy, I don't think that's the case. It would be only a courtesy title, not a substansive peerage, to be used only if he held no peerage of his own (which he does, of course).
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Old 05-18-2007, 06:38 AM
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Actually, Chrissy, I don't think that's the case. It would be only a courtesy title, not a substansive peerage, to be used only if he held no peerage of his own (which he does, of course).

It is a coutesy title of course!! Silly me!
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As a prince, Charles wouldn't use his father's secondary title

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Actually Charles would have been known as the Earl of Merioneth - the second title of the Duke of Edinburgh and traditionally this title is used by the heir to a Dukedom (or other title). e.g. Earl Spencer's heir is known as Viscount Althorp and Lord Snowdon's son is known as Viscount Linley because these titles are the second title of their father's. Without the Letters Patent of 1948 Charles wouldn't have used the Lord Charles title but the Earl of Merioneth one (he still can use that of course because he is also the heir to the Dukedom of Edinburgh) but I have never seen it listed amongst his titles - another slight to his father who once famously said, when talking about the names of his descendents "I am just an ameoba"
He was HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh from birth until his mother became Queen. A prince because of the Letters of Patent and of Edinburgh because his father was a Royal Duke.

By the way, I believe the ameoba comment was regarding the Mountbatten last name not being used.


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The point is what he would have been styled if his grandfather had not issued letters patent in 1948 providing the children of Elizabeth and The Duke would be HRH Prince/Princess.

In that case, Charles would have been Lord Charles Windsor, but styled Charles, Earl of Merioneth as a courtesy derived from being the eldest son of a Duke.
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The point is what he would have been styled if his grandfather had not issued letters patent in 1948 providing the children of Elizabeth and The Duke would be HRH Prince/Princess.

In that case, Charles would have been Lord Charles Windsor, but styled Charles, Earl of Merioneth as a courtesy derived from being the eldest son of a Duke.
Sorry to disagree, but i think he would be called Lord Charles Mountbatten, deriving from his father
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Sorry to disagree, but i think he would be called Lord Charles Mountbatten, deriving from his father

He would have been styled Charles, Earl of Merioneth as a courtesy title derived from his father. At the time, the family had no personal surname, other than York or Wales if that was your father's ducal or princely title (Beatrice of York, William of Wales, etc.).
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:56 AM
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I can't recall if I have asked this before, but if Harry gets married and has children whislt the Queen is still alive, and they are styled Lord/Lady etc., when Charles ascends the throne, will they be restyled as prince/ess being the grandchildren of a monarch from a male line? Or the way they are born is the way it stays?!
Another point, were there any prince/ess of UK from Qvictorias grand or great grandchildren, who wouldn't be style do today?
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I can't recall if I have asked this before, but if Harry gets married and has children whislt the Queen is still alive, and they are styled Lord/Lady etc., when Charles ascends the throne, will they be restyled as prince/ess being the grandchildren of a monarch from a male line? Or the way they are born is the way it stays?!
Another point, were there any prince/ess of UK from Qvictorias grand or great grandchildren, who wouldn't be style do today?
Yes any children Harry gets during the lifetime of the present Queen will be Lord/Lady and also the children of William with the exception of his oldest son. But if William has first a daughter and the a son the daughter will be Lady and the son Prince.
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