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Old 03-30-2017, 09:42 PM
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William automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall when Charles becomes King. He has to be created Prince of Wales. It's not something that he automatically inherits.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:58 PM
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When Charles becomes King, William's titles will change.

He will become HRH The Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, Duke of Rothesay etc etc.

Cornwall and Cambridge will be together based on the precedent set by George V who when from January 1901 until November that year as HRH The Duke of Cornwall and York everywhere except in Scotland where he was simply HRH The Duke of Rothesay.

At some time after his accession - could be that day, the next day, a week, a month, six months, a year, or years afterwards - Charles may create William as Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester.

Charles was only Duke of Cornwall from 1952 until 1958. He had to wait the longest of any heir apparent to be created Prince of Wales after becoming eligible.

George V had to wait nearly 10 months

Edward VIII had to wait 6 weeks

Edward VII had to wait about a month - born 9th November and created PoW in December.

George IV was much the same.

George III also had to wait about 6 weeks after the death of his father (he was never Duke of Cornwall etc as he wasn't the eldest living son of the monarch AND heir apparent - he was heir apparent only after his father died while his uncle was the eldest living son).

George II was created Prince of Wales when his father arrived in England after his accession but took two years to give that title to his own son, Frederick.

From this it is clear there are now rules about when a monarch created their heir as Prince of Wales ranging from a month to 6 years.
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:01 PM
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William automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall when Charles becomes King. He has to be created Prince of Wales. It's not something that he automatically inherits.
So I guess Charles would create the title for his son, William? I always thought that it was automatic, since William is Charles' heir.
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:39 PM
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When Charles becomes King, will William automatically be Prince of Wales?

He will in time. Charles can only make William, Prince of Wales. He can't give the title to someone else like Harry instead of William. Can't imagine that Charles will make William wait too long to be created Prince of Wales since he is an adult not a little kid like Charles was when his mom became Queen
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Given Charles's age when he becomes King, I'd say that William's investiture would have to be pretty quick, 18 months tops. He would still become Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay automatically and have access to the duchy revenues, which is what really matters.

Personally what scares me is the field day the papers and glossies will have when Kate becomes "Princess of Wales" - brace yourselves kiddies, it'll be a bumpy ride(!)
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Given Charles's age when he becomes King, I'd say that William's investiture would have to be pretty quick, 18 months tops. He would still become Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay automatically and have access to the duchy revenues, which is what really matters.

Personally what scares me is the field day the papers and glossies will have when Kate becomes "Princess of Wales" - brace yourselves kiddies, it'll be a bumpy ride(!)
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:56 PM
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So I guess Charles would create the title for his son, William? I always thought that it was automatic, since William is Charles' heir.


It's not a hereditary title, in fact none of the titles Charles has at this time are hereditary. They each have specific rules around their creation, restricting who can hold them and are not passed down in a manner similar to how other titles (including the Crown) would be.

William is Charles' heir apparent, which means that in time when Charles is King he will meet the requirements for each of the titles Charles currently holds. Some (like Duke of Cornwall) happen automatically, others (like Prince of Wales) have to be created.
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Old 03-30-2017, 11:09 PM
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There may not even be an investiture. That was a 20th invention by George V that Elizabeth also followed but no previous Princes of Wales have had such an event and neither of the two who were invested were all that impressed with the ceremonies.

It made sense in a way for Charles as it allowed him to publicly swear allegiance to his mother but William will be able to do that at the accession council and again at the coronation.

Given that a coronation will take about a year or more to plan and take place it is doubtful that the country would want to have a second major such event at about the same time as the coronation - no need.

1911 was a different situation than the 21st century and people are more questioning about the ceremonies and costs of the royal family (rightly or wrongly).
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Old 03-30-2017, 11:42 PM
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Why?
Have you read any of the current press coverage on Kate? It is often vitriolic and will only get worse if she doesn't do something about it.

Then there are the other forums - many of which are also totally anti-Kate and William and many turning against Harry as well.

These days the media is in many forms but very little of it seems all that supportive of Kate.
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Have you read any of the current press coverage on Kate? It is often vitriolic and will only get worse if she doesn't do something about it.
Didn't know. Oh.

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Then there are the other forums - many of which are also totally anti-Kate and William and many turning against Harry as well.
Another surprise.

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These days the media is in many forms but very little of it seems all that supportive of Kate.
That's a shame. Sorry to hear it. Thank you for the answers, Iluvbertie.
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Well, Princess William, will also be the Princess of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall, Countess of Carrick, and Princess and Great Stewardess of Scotland.

Princess William is Catherine's legal name. Her Royal Highness Princess William Arthur Philip Louis, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus.

When William and Kate become Prince and Princess of Wales, will their children be:

Prince George of Cambridge and Wales and Princess Charlotte of Cambridge and Wales?
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:10 AM
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It's automatic. The eldest son of the monarch automatically is duke of Cornwall either at birth (if born when parent is on the throne) or when their parent ascends the throne.

The only way William won't is if his father died before the queen. Then the title would be vacant until George inherits when William is king.

Same goes with Rothesy. Rothesy is attached to Cornwall not Wales.
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My friends in New Jersey call The Duchess of Cambridge "Princess Catherine", "Princess Kate", "Princess William", or "Mrs. Cambridge".
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When William and Kate become Prince and Princess of Wales, will their children be:

Prince George of Cambridge and Wales and Princess Charlotte of Cambridge and Wales?
When Prince Charles becomes King, William will automatically become Duke of Cornwall (Duke of Rothsay in Scotland) as noted above, and his children will then become "of Cornwall and Cambridge." If and when William is created "Prince of Wales" by his father, George and Charlotte will just be "of Wales" just as William was, and Harry still is, "of Wales" alone.
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When Prince Charles becomes King, William will automatically become Duke of Cornwall (Duke of Rothsay in Scotland) as noted above, and his children will then become "of Cornwall and Cambridge." If and when William is created "Prince of Wales" by his father, George and Charlotte will just be "of Wales" just as William was, and Harry still is, "of Wales" alone.
Okay. Will the Dukedom of Cambridge merge in with the Crown just like how Elizabeth II is still Duchess of Edinburgh?
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The kids will probably just go by of Wales like William and Harry did. William like his father will hold multiple Dukedoms .

If there is any investiture for William, it will probably be more simpler ceremony. Something like Charles making the announcement at Caernarfon Castle. Then a tour of Wales by the new Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't really see a crowning and robes like Charles in 1969 right before the Coronation.
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The kids will probably just go by of Wales like William and Harry did. William like his father will hold multiple Dukedoms .

If there is any investiture for William, it will probably be more simpler ceremony. Something like Charles making the announcement at Caernarfon Castle. Then a tour of Wales by the new Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't really see a crowning and robes like Charles in 1969 right before the Coronation.
It would be nice for William to have a lavish ceremony. His wife and him should buy a home in Wales, because he's still William Wales in the Welsh people's eyes.

If William and Kate have a third child, they should name their child a Welsh name.
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:26 AM
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Okay. Will the Dukedom of Cambridge merge in with the Crown just like how Elizabeth II is still Duchess of Edinburgh?
The Cambridge Dukedom will only merge with the Crown when William is King. He will remain Duke of Cambridge until that date even if he becomes Prince of Wales in the future and no longer uses Cambridge in "everyday" life.
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:37 AM
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So here is the succession:

When William becomes King William V,

Prince George of Cambridge would become: The Prince George
Princess Charlotte of Cambridge would become: The Princess Charlotte, just like when Queen Elizabeth II became queen, Prince Charles of Edinburgh and Princess Anne of Edinburgh became The Prince Charles and The Princess Anne.
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Old 03-31-2017, 02:19 AM
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George however would become HRH The Duke of Cornwall instantly his father succeeds and that would take precedence over The Prince George - which would only be used officially in Scotland with the Rothesay title.

Yes he would the The Prince George but wouldn't really use that but rather just Prince George or Duke of Cornwall and maybe eventually Prince of Wales.

Yes they do drop the 'of xxx' when they are the children of the monarch until they have a title in their own right e.g. Andrew is the Duke of York more than The Prince Andrew - a style he doesn't use these days.

George's styles will probably be:

HRH Prince George of Cambridge
HRH Prince George of Cornwall and Cambridge
HRH Prince George of Wales
HRH The Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay etc
HRH The Prince of Wales
HM The King


The one thing that will change that is if he gains a title in his own right before William becomes King e.g. Duke of Hogwarts as that would then take precedence over the 'of Wales' or 'of Cornwall and Cambridge' or 'of Cambridge'. That would probably only happen if he married in his grandfather's reign.

The precedence for George's titles would be Edward VIII who, like George, was born 3rd in line to the throne and followed the list of titles above replacing Cambridge with York. Edward wasn't given the extra title because he became Duke of Cornwall aged 16 and so didn't need another title at any stage of his life whereas George V and William both married while still 2nd in line to the throne and rather than have their wives known as Princess George and Princess William titles were forthcoming (yes I know Mary was a Princess in her own right but not of the UK. Prince Philip's mother was officially Princess Andrew of Greece in the UK not Princess Alice of Hesse - her birth styling. The Brits do things differently to the rest of Europe which I find really nice - not 'royals are all the same' but there will be some on here who think that one royal way of doing things is better than any other and the Brits are wrong)
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