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Old 03-10-2014, 09:35 PM
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I doubt Anne would want an inheritable title of her own for Peter to one day have, as the rumour is that at their marriage Mark declined a title, then when Peter was born they declined a title for him. If Anne wanted titles for her children, I think they'd have been shelled out by now.

Bertie, you mentioned the idea that William will create his father-in-law a Duke. I doubt that will go over well if and when it happens.
I agree that it wouldn't go over well but I can see it happening. I do think that William will be convinced by Kate and the rest of the Middleton clan that it is inappropriate for the in-laws of the monarch and future monarchs to not have titles.
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:23 PM
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Mike is almost the same age as Prince Charles. It is quite possible by the time William is King that Mike has passed. IMO, the Middletons have treated William like a son and welcomed him into their close knit family for years and William has returned their love and support. They are not out to snag a title. Their daughter just happen to fall in love with a future King who returned her love.
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:55 AM
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I think HRH titles should only be given to the monarch's children & grandchildren regardless of gender or gender of parent.

The great grandchildren should be given HH when they turn 25, if the monarch is still alive. If the monarch is not alive then they should be given titles of children of a Duke when they turn 25.

There are very few monarchs that have lived to see great grandchildren. With people marrying later & having children in their 30s, the chances of great-grandchildren who are 25 when their great grandparent is a monarch is very slim.

George should not have received the title of HRH or prince until Charles became king.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:28 AM
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I don't think Mr & Mrs Middleton are out to get any titles as some would like to think but I think it would be nice if they're given an honorary award at some point down the line.
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:40 AM
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I don't think Mr & Mrs Middleton are out to get any titles as some would like to think but I think it would be nice if they're given an honorary award at some point down the line.
What do you mean by an honorary award?
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Old 03-11-2014, 02:43 AM
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Although I think it is possible that the Middleton's will get a title when William is King I would in no way support it - if it is just for being George's maternal family. Any honour, whether a title or anything else should be earnt and they haven't done anything all that marvellous to earn one.
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:07 AM
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I can't think of any reason the Middletons have done/are likely to do that would warrant the receiving of any honour. If one of them does, fine, but just being Kate's mother or father isn't enough.

The BBC News site says this: "British honours are awarded on merit, for exceptional achievement or service" and "They are now awarded for prominent national or regional roles and to those making distinguished or notable contributions in their own specific areas of activity. The honour of an MBE, in particular, can be given for achievement or service in the community."

Perhaps babysitting services will be deemed enough.
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:35 AM
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.. and IF the Middletons WHERE given a title, it wouldn't be a Dukedom but rather a Knighthood Nowadays only Members of the royal family recieve anything more than that.

Mrs Thatcher got to be a Baroness ... not more
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:44 AM
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The only knighthood that Mike Middleton could possibly get is one that is within the gift of the Monarch. Knight Commander or Knight Grand Cross of the RVO.

But the chances of this happening are very remote and the climate about honours in GB (which is all I know about) would have to change. People are tired of politicians giving their friends honours for no good reason. The honours that the Queen gives directly are not noticed, mainly because the public dont know the people concerned - but they know the Middletons. It would be a mistake IMO to hand out an honour if they have not done anything to earn it - and having a future King as a grandson is not enough.
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Personally I believe it should just be the children of the monarch and the children of the heir to the throne and then stop. Any grandchildren of the monarch from the 2nd in line can wait until they are the children of the heir.
I agree and this is likely to happen in the future, probably once Charles is King and issues new Letters Patent. Times have changed and I'm sure Harry's future children won't miss it.
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Bertie, you mentioned the idea that William will create his father-in-law a Duke. I doubt that will go over well if and when it happens.
There is zero chance of William creating his father-in-law a Duke. It has long been accepted practice the Crown no longer creates any peerages of that degree except for members of the royal family or on advice from the Prime Minister.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:47 PM
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The argument could be made that as the in-laws of the King, when William is in that position and certainly as the relatives of George that they are part of the royal family in the future their blood will be in the royal family. 'Accepted practice' isn't a law but just a changed in ideas. As there is no political roles now attached to the creating of peers, after the first generation, it is possible to create a new peer and not ask the PM. Personally I hope it doesn't happen but I can see it happening in the future.
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I have a question if the situation ever arose that the UK became a Republic. Does this mean that the Royal family would lose their "Royal Highness" titles and become simply, "His Grace/Her Grace, the Duke/Duchess of Cambridge/Gloucester/Kent/Edinburgh" etc?
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I to also have a question, because of something you mentioned Molly!

When the DOE dies, his title goes to Charles and potentially merges with the crown, Charles then has to regrant it to Edward. However, does that regrant count for Edward alone or does it count for James as well?
Because we're talking about what one day will be the cousin of the King but one who will 99% sure have spent his entire life out of the air of royalty. Or because of the title, will James have to be a part of the lifestyle?
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:28 PM
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That would depend on whether or not the nobility is retained in Britain. I don't believe many other former monarchies-turned-republics continue to recognize any noble titles given under the previous regime, although I think during the Commonwealth period under Cromwell, Britain may have.

Most likely, they would simply become Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss Windsor/Mountbatten/Mountbatten-Windsor depending on their gender, marital status, descent, and preference.

However, there is a belief among royalists that "once a royal, always a royal." Thus, while they might legally simply be "Windsor" they'll continue to be recognized by their royal titles, particularly outside of Britain, similar to other deposed royal families.
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The Dukedom will one day pass down to James, and then to his children, and so on.

The thing with royal dukedoms is that unless they're granted to the heir or the heir's heir then they're expected to one day cease to be royal. Currently, the heir apparents to the Dukedoms of Kent and Gloucester are not royals, meaning when the current dukes die they will cease to be royal dukedoms.

This will also happen with the Dukedom of Edinburgh. It will be a royal dukedom under Edward, a quasi-royal dukedom under James (likely he will not receive any CC recognition for his activities), and then will cease to be a royal dukedom at all with James' son. The organizations connected with the dukedom will continue, but will cease to have their royal connections (unless they take on a royal patron, which I could see as being likely).
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I to also have a question, because of something you mentioned Molly!

When the DOE dies, his title goes to Charles and potentially merges with the crown, Charles then has to regrant it to Edward. However, does that regrant count for Edward alone or does it count for James as well?
Because we're talking about what one day will be the cousin of the King but one who will 99% sure have spent his entire life out of the air of royalty. Or because of the title, will James have to be a part of the lifestyle?
The purpose in giving this title to Edward is that is will continue - so James and his heirs will have the title, as will the Kents and Gloucesters (and you couldnt get a more royal dukedom than Gloucester).

It doesnt mean that James or any of the other heirs have to be part of the lifestyle - it is a dukedom. Same with patronages - these families can continue them, but they wont be designated as "royal" (sorry repeating a bit I mentioned on another thread)

This is based on my opinion that James will not use HRH.
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I have a question if the situation ever arose that the UK became a Republic. Does this mean that the Royal family would lose their "Royal Highness" titles and become simply, "His Grace/Her Grace, the Duke/Duchess of Cambridge/Gloucester/Kent/Edinburgh" etc?
In royal circles they would continue to be addressed by their royal styles.Many of the former royal houses of Europe (Greece,Romania,Bulgaria,Germany etc) are all addressed as 'Your Majesty,Royal Highnesses'. If Britain was to become a republic,I'm sure the Nobility would also be abolished along with the Royals.
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There are other places that the Queen is monarch. So if the UK became a republic tomorrow. The Queen is still Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc.
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There are other places that the Queen is monarch. So if the UK became a republic tomorrow. The Queen is still Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc.

The Queen might still be royal and hold titles, but her family won't. The titles that the BRF hold currently are all under British law, only the monarch holds a title in any other realm (although, I suppose you could argue that the wife of a King of Canada would be the Queen of Canada). In order for the DoE, Charles, William, etc, to hold any titles new ones would have to be created, even within the realms that an official royal family is recognized.

Furthermore, there would have to be a serious restructuring of the role of the monarch and royal family in at least one of the realms to accommodate the fact that the family would likely be making a home base within it.
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