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Old 08-06-2013, 09:00 PM
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Yeah, 'Your Royal Highness' and 'Sir and Ma'am.' The bow and curtsey is all up to you. You don't have to do it if you don't like it.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:07 PM
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Yeah, 'Your Royal Highness' and 'Sir and Ma'am.' The bow and curtsey is all up to you. You don't have to do it if you don't like it.
My mother taught me how to bow when I was four. And she taught my sister how to courtsey when they were four too.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:34 AM
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My mother taught me how to bow when I was four. And she taught my sister how to courtsey when they were four too.
Shouldn't you have learned to bow from your father? Also, I think it should have been taught much earlier, around two-ish.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:03 AM
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Shouldn't you have learned to bow from your father? Also, I think it should have been taught much earlier, around two-ish.
Bowing is a really easy thing to do; anyone can teach a small child how to do it, man or woman. And why on earth would a two year old need to know how to bow?
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:13 AM
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I think often (not always) the more complicated aspects of manners (ie beyond like "please," "thank you," and covering your mouth when you sneeze) ends up falling more into the role of the mother than the father.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:27 AM
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I think often (not always) the more complicated aspects of manners (ie beyond like "please," "thank you," and covering your mouth when you sneeze) ends up falling more into the role of the mother than the father.
Heck nowadays companies have been known to hire people to teach their up and coming managers proper manners, everything from how to dress, to what fork to use and how to read a wine list because such things are no longer learned at home.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:30 AM
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That's because we live in a sad and cruel world.

Although, if there's a fancy way to read a wine list, I'm afraid to admit that I don't know it.
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:09 AM
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Blame that excellent Aussie invention the splayd for the shameful dearth of knowledge about what fork to use. You can slice, scoop and stab with your splayd, and in the comfort of your chair in front of the TV, so there's no need to bother with table settings at all.

I try to avoid dining at restaurants that are likely to give me more than one fork. They are bound to be very expensive and serve very small portions.

And now many ways are there to read a wine list?
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:39 AM
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Blame that excellent Aussie invention the splayd for the shameful dearth of knowledge about what fork to use. You can slice, scoop and stab with your splayd, and in the comfort of your chair in front of the TV, so there's no need to bother with table settings at all.

I try to avoid dining at restaurants that are likely to give me more than one fork. They are bound to be very expensive and serve very small portions.

And now many ways are there to read a wine list?
In the very best restaurants the wait staff bring the cutlery for each course at that course. It saves the confusion having to work out whether you are picking up a salad fork or the fish fork.

The point about the wine list might be to prevent the horror of someone chosing a wine because they actually like it and committing the social faux pas of selecting a red wine with chicken or fish.
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:54 AM
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In the very best restaurants the wait staff bring the cutlery for each course at that course. It saves the confusion having to work out whether you are picking up a salad fork or the fish fork.
Now that's considerate!

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Oh, the shame of such a faux pas. I am a red drinker and I don't like white wine, so I have often breached that "rule". And, wandering wildly even further off topic, since you are from the Top End and will "get" it, I will mention something amusing that happened to me in Port Douglas a few years ago. I ordered red wine with a meal, and it was served at room temperature, because, I was assured by the waiter, red wine must be served at room temperature! It was January and the restaurant had fans but not air conditioning. Room temperature was well over 30 degrees celsius. I put ice in it.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:11 AM
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Now that's considerate!

Oh, the shame of such a faux pas. I am a red drinker and I don't like white wine, so I have often breached that "rule". And, wandering wildly even further off topic, since you are from the Top End and will "get" it, I will mention something amusing that happened to me in Port Douglas a few years ago. I ordered red wine with a meal, and it was served at room temperature, because, I was assured by the waiter, red wine must be served at room temperature! It was January and the restaurant had fans but not air conditioning. Room temperature was well over 30 degrees celsius. I put ice in it.
The forks aren't as complicated as they look. If the table is set properly for your meal then you should have one set of cutlery for each meal, an you just start at the outside and work your way in, typically going up in size in fork until you get to the desert fork, which is smaller than the meat one.

My grandmother is one of those types who knows exactly what fork to use when, and where everything is supposed to go in a place setting, so growing up even though dinner at her place would only be a two course event (dinner and desert) setting the table was an elaborate event that the kids were tasked with and (lovingly) scolded when mistakes were made.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:22 AM
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Where's the corner where this conversation went from titles to cutlery? I want to hop in a car and go back.
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Old 08-09-2013, 04:43 AM
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Where's the corner where this conversation went from titles to cutlery? I want to hop in a car and go back.
Yeps.. its obvious that this topic took the wrong turn at the fork in the road.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:42 AM
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It happens like this at this time of the year when there is no real news to report as they are on holidays.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:09 PM
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Shouldn't you have learned to bow from your father? Also, I think it should have been taught much earlier, around two-ish.
Although my father knows how to bow very well (as it's not a very difficult task), mom was the one in charge to teach us good manners.

I remember my sisters having a hard time learning how to curtsy, but the two ended up doing well, when a curtsy was necessary.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:11 PM
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When would anyone in this day and age would need to know how to bow or curtsey?

I certainly wouldn't see a need to ever curtsey to anyone but I suppose some countries still teach their youth that they are inferior to other people while I was taught, and teach modern Australian youth, that we are all equal and that no one is better or worse than anyone else.

Anyone who bows or curtseys to another person is actually saying to that person 'I am inferior to you' and I don't believe that is the case between people.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:18 PM
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[QUOTE=Iluvbertie;1587090]When would anyone in this day and age would need to know how to bow or curtsey?

I certainly wouldn't see a need to ever curtsey to anyone but I suppose some countries still teach their youth that they are inferior to other people while I was taught, and teach modern Australian youth, that we are all equal and that no one is better or worse than anyone else.

Anyone who bows or curtseys to another person is actually saying to that person 'I am inferior to you' and I don't believe that is the case between people.[/QUOTE

As for who would need to ever curtsey or bow - I'll take the question literally and would say ballet dancers, opera performers, entertainers generally.

It is NOT about being inferior but a mark of respect, either for the audience (as in the examples I have cited) or an individual. you speak in abolute terms and that is limiting. Perhaps you should look at a broader context
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:30 PM
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I still see no reason for anyone to curtsey or bow - the examples you have sited don't need to do so - and the word I used was 'need'.

They do so to say - we are better than you because we have this skill and you don't - don't think it is a mark of respect at all but them laughing at their audience.

If they didn't do it - would it matter - no. It wouldn't change the enjoyment the audience has of the performance or the appause they would give.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:31 PM
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I still see no reason for anyone to curtsey or bow
It's a sign of respect. I never felt myself inferior while bowing.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:37 PM
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It could be that I've bowed more than anyone else on this forum. I've bowed to a lot of judges and magistrates in the course of my career, every time I have entered or left a courtroom when the bench was occupied, and also when a judge or magistrate entered or left the room if I was there first. In this context the bow is a sign of respect for the office and the institution, and it's really not optional for members of the legal profession, however it's more a deep bob of the head than a flourishing bow, but I've seen some rather deep bows from litigants who have no doubt been told by their lawyers that they have to bow to the judge.

I cannot imagine ever bowing to anyone else unless I chose to do so to indicate my respect for that person, but that would be a matter of personal choice. And I cannot contemplate curtseying to anyone in any circumstances.
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