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Old 08-06-2013, 08:09 PM
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Thank you. It is interesting that (then)Princess Anne signed her marriage certificate to Mark Phillips as Mountbatten-Windsor. No wonder there is sometimes confusion.
She's not the only one, I believe Andrew also did so as well.

Royals have a few options when it comes to using a surname. They can use Windsor, Mountbatten-Windsor (if they're male-line descendants of HM and the DoE), the place that they're "of", or just their titles.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:34 PM
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Personally, I think it all amounts to respect.
I amended my post after you quoted it, to clarify that I am not suggesting it is appropriate to address people in correspondence or personally, by a name other than the one for which they have expressed a preference.

I otherwise stick by what I have said though. I do not consider it disrespectful to refer to someone informally by a valid name other than the one they choose to use, provided that name is not an insulting one.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:46 PM
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I just think people should show some respect and call Catherine by her official title. The Queen's former press secretary, Dickie Arbiter has even mentioned that he gets ticked off by people calling Catherine by her maiden name. She's a senior member of the royal family and practically third lady of the land, so I call her Catherine and address her as HRH The Duchess of Cambridge when I talk about her here and when discussing her with others.

Someday, we'll be able to address her as HRH The Princess of Wales and then at some point, Her Majesty The Queen. It's going to be a pleasure to do so.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:50 PM
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I just think people should show some respect and call Catherine by her official title. The Queen's former press secretary, Dickie Arbiter has even mentioned that he gets ticked off by people calling Catherine by her maiden name. She's a senior member of the royal family and practically third lady of the land, so I call her Catherine and address her as HRH The Duchess of Cambridge when I talk about her here and when discussing her with others.
I was just wondering how you suppose to greet William and Catherine in public (In person) if you meet them?
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:53 PM
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I was just wondering how you suppose to greet William and Catherine in public (In person) if you meet them?
Your Royal Highness first, then you call them Sir and Ma'am during the conversation.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:55 PM
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I was just wondering how you suppose to greet William and Catherine in public (In person) if you meet them?
I would expect "Your Royal Highness" or "Sir/Ma'am."
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:00 PM
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Yeah, 'Your Royal Highness' and 'Sir and Ma'am.' The bow and curtsey is all up to you. You don't have to do it if you don't like it.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:07 PM
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Yeah, 'Your Royal Highness' and 'Sir and Ma'am.' The bow and curtsey is all up to you. You don't have to do it if you don't like it.
My mother taught me how to bow when I was four. And she taught my sister how to courtsey when they were four too.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:34 AM
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My mother taught me how to bow when I was four. And she taught my sister how to courtsey when they were four too.
Shouldn't you have learned to bow from your father? Also, I think it should have been taught much earlier, around two-ish.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:03 AM
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Shouldn't you have learned to bow from your father? Also, I think it should have been taught much earlier, around two-ish.
Bowing is a really easy thing to do; anyone can teach a small child how to do it, man or woman. And why on earth would a two year old need to know how to bow?
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:13 AM
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I think often (not always) the more complicated aspects of manners (ie beyond like "please," "thank you," and covering your mouth when you sneeze) ends up falling more into the role of the mother than the father.
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I think often (not always) the more complicated aspects of manners (ie beyond like "please," "thank you," and covering your mouth when you sneeze) ends up falling more into the role of the mother than the father.
Heck nowadays companies have been known to hire people to teach their up and coming managers proper manners, everything from how to dress, to what fork to use and how to read a wine list because such things are no longer learned at home.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:30 AM
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That's because we live in a sad and cruel world.

Although, if there's a fancy way to read a wine list, I'm afraid to admit that I don't know it.
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Blame that excellent Aussie invention the splayd for the shameful dearth of knowledge about what fork to use. You can slice, scoop and stab with your splayd, and in the comfort of your chair in front of the TV, so there's no need to bother with table settings at all.

I try to avoid dining at restaurants that are likely to give me more than one fork. They are bound to be very expensive and serve very small portions.

And now many ways are there to read a wine list?
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:39 AM
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Blame that excellent Aussie invention the splayd for the shameful dearth of knowledge about what fork to use. You can slice, scoop and stab with your splayd, and in the comfort of your chair in front of the TV, so there's no need to bother with table settings at all.

I try to avoid dining at restaurants that are likely to give me more than one fork. They are bound to be very expensive and serve very small portions.

And now many ways are there to read a wine list?
In the very best restaurants the wait staff bring the cutlery for each course at that course. It saves the confusion having to work out whether you are picking up a salad fork or the fish fork.

The point about the wine list might be to prevent the horror of someone chosing a wine because they actually like it and committing the social faux pas of selecting a red wine with chicken or fish.
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In the very best restaurants the wait staff bring the cutlery for each course at that course. It saves the confusion having to work out whether you are picking up a salad fork or the fish fork.
Now that's considerate!

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Oh, the shame of such a faux pas. I am a red drinker and I don't like white wine, so I have often breached that "rule". And, wandering wildly even further off topic, since you are from the Top End and will "get" it, I will mention something amusing that happened to me in Port Douglas a few years ago. I ordered red wine with a meal, and it was served at room temperature, because, I was assured by the waiter, red wine must be served at room temperature! It was January and the restaurant had fans but not air conditioning. Room temperature was well over 30 degrees celsius. I put ice in it.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:11 AM
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Now that's considerate!

Oh, the shame of such a faux pas. I am a red drinker and I don't like white wine, so I have often breached that "rule". And, wandering wildly even further off topic, since you are from the Top End and will "get" it, I will mention something amusing that happened to me in Port Douglas a few years ago. I ordered red wine with a meal, and it was served at room temperature, because, I was assured by the waiter, red wine must be served at room temperature! It was January and the restaurant had fans but not air conditioning. Room temperature was well over 30 degrees celsius. I put ice in it.
The forks aren't as complicated as they look. If the table is set properly for your meal then you should have one set of cutlery for each meal, an you just start at the outside and work your way in, typically going up in size in fork until you get to the desert fork, which is smaller than the meat one.

My grandmother is one of those types who knows exactly what fork to use when, and where everything is supposed to go in a place setting, so growing up even though dinner at her place would only be a two course event (dinner and desert) setting the table was an elaborate event that the kids were tasked with and (lovingly) scolded when mistakes were made.
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Where's the corner where this conversation went from titles to cutlery? I want to hop in a car and go back.
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Where's the corner where this conversation went from titles to cutlery? I want to hop in a car and go back.
Yeps.. its obvious that this topic took the wrong turn at the fork in the road.
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It happens like this at this time of the year when there is no real news to report as they are on holidays.
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