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Old 06-17-2013, 05:49 AM
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Would Diana have remained a Princess if she remarried?

After divorce, was Diana a Princess in her own right, or simply because she had been married to the Prince of Wales? If she had remarried, would she have remained a Princess?
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:15 AM
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After divorce, was Diana a Princess in her own right, or simply because she had been married to the Prince of Wales? If she had remarried, would she have remained a Princess?
She wasn't a Princess in her own right. She held the divorced style of her husband, Diana, Princess of Wales. She was accorded the same precedence as before get divorce as she was mother to the future king.
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:20 AM
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She was never a Princess in her own right.

Had she remarried she would have lost the right to use the Princess of Wales styling as part of her name.
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:38 AM
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She wasn't a Princess in her own right. She held the divorced style of her husband, Diana, Princess of Wales. She was accorded the same precedence as before get divorce as she was mother to the future king.
According to Charles and Diana Agree on Divorce Terms - NYTimes.com :

"The removal of the "Royal Highness" title, which separates the royal family from the rest of British nobility, officially obliges Diana to curtsey to others who have it -- her ex-husband, for instance, and even her own children. But the palace said, rather cryptically, that Princess Diana will continue to be "regarded as a member of the royal family" and "will from time to time receive invitations to state and national public occasions" at the invitation "of the sovereign or the Government."
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:56 AM
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And?
Diana was mother of the future King she was never going to be excluded and her patronages kept her in the loop. William apparently told her when he was King he would give her her HRH back.

As iluvbertie explained she would have lost the right to use her divorced style had she remarried.
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:40 AM
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After divorce, was Diana a Princess in her own right, or simply because she had been married to the Prince of Wales? If she had remarried, would she have remained a Princess?
In Britain you are a Princess either by birth or by marriage.
If you are one by marriage, you are never directly styled "Princess (Your Name)", but instead "Princess (Your husband's name)".
So Diana was Princess Charles. And since he is Prince of Wales, by courtesy, as all wives of peers, she is Princess of Wales.
After divorce, she is automatically neither Princess Charles nor Princess of Wales.
However, since wives of British princes are not given any surnames, it was announced that Diana and Sarah, after divorce, can use their peerage titles at the end of their name, just in place of their surnames.
Thus Diana came to be known as Diana,Princess of Wales.
And Sarah came to be known as Sarah,Duchess of York.
That does not mean either of them is a Princess or a Duchess.
Once they remarry, they get new surnames right eg. Diana Smith or Sarah Cavill. So Diana wouldnt be known as Diana, Princess of Wales anymore.But Idoubt things would have hardly changed and media continued to refer to her as Princess Diana throughout her life. Or atleast as long as she helped them sell..
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:46 AM
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Just an additional note - the styles that Diana and Sarah used after their divorces are the same as any divorced wife of a peer - using the former title as a surname - so the divorced wife of The Duke of Hogwarts would also be known as Jane, Duchess of Hogwarts. This styling wasn't/isn't restricted to ex-wives of princes.
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"The removal of the "Royal Highness" title, which separates the royal family from the rest of British nobility, officially obliges Diana to curtsey to others who have it -- her ex-husband, for instance, and even her own children. But the palace said, rather cryptically, that Princess Diana will continue to be "regarded as a member of the royal family" and "will from time to time receive invitations to state and national public occasions" at the invitation "of the sovereign or the Government."
Right, which simply meant The Queen was walking a fine line for the sake of her grandsons. Officially, Diana lost her royal rank and was no longer a princess, but would continue to be regarded as one in style. On official occasions, she would not be banished to the back row, but allowed appropriate place next to her sons when so invited.

I doubt she would have retained the style of a princess had she remarried.
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The fact she would have to curtsey to her husband and even children shows she did not keep the same precedence she had when married.
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The fact she would have to curtsey to her husband and even children shows she did not keep the same precedence she had when married.
Ah, but the fact that she had to curtsey at all was because Charles was no longer her husband.
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The fact she would have to curtsey to her husband and even children shows she did not keep the same precedence she had when married.
Source Buckingham Palace -
PR Newswire UK: DIVORCE: STATUS AND ROLE OF THE PRINCESS OF WALES

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As she will be regarded as a member of the Royal Family, The
Princess will from time to time receive invitations to State and
national public occasions, as for any other member of the Royal
Family, at the invitation of The Sovereign or the Government. On
these occasions The Princess will be accorded the precedence she
enjoys at present.
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We must remember that Diana's position was unique in that she was the divorced wife of the Prince of Wales but she was the mother of the future King and so they had to make up some new rules that applied to her situation which was different to Sarah's for instance. We know Sarah isn't invited to royal events even though she is the mother of two of the Queen's grandchildren, and nor, of course, is Mark but Diana would have still been invited.
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Diana was also very popular with the press and the population at large. She was a draw with many foreign dignitaries as well. This "both fish and fowl" solution suited Diana's and the BRF's needs and wants. This may sound cynical - but it was eminently practical, IMHO.
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Things would be so much simpler if all these titles and styles were swept away and then only the monarch would have a title. The rest of the royal family would be able to lead normal lives then.

Having people titled princes and princesses leads to class division, as they were born into a position with responsibility which virtually places them above the rest of society.
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The fact she would have to curtsey to her husband and even children shows she did not keep the same precedence she had when married.
Diana was not expected to curtsey to her former husband, her children or any other HRH in the family. She was still the mother of the future King and an important person in her own right.

Being granted precedence didn't mean she wasn't expected to continue to curtsey to The Queen, The Queen Mother and Prince Philip, as she did throughout her marriage.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:10 PM
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Frankly, does this matter any more?
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It seems that the only people that the royal bows and curtesy to is the Queen, DoE and Queen Mum when alive. Imagine how much time it would take for all the royals to greet each other at big family events.

The title situation would be so much easier if a person marrying a prince just becomes princess name. How many times do we see Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge which is the style of divorced peeress. It's just hrh duchess of Cambridge. But if it was prince William and princess Catherine it would be easier and maybe the press would stop it with Kate Middleton.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:18 PM
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Or they could keep their maiden name and not take any title - as happens when men marry a Princess.
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Has it occurred to anyone that, if the Queen were to live long enough to see the Duke of Cambridge's hypothetical second son get divorced, that ex-wife would remain a Royal Highness?

Only the ex-wife of a son of a sovereign, of a son of a son of a sovereign and of the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales would cease being a Royal Highness according to the 1996 letters patent. The Queen probably did not bother to include ex-wives of the younger sons of the Prince of Wales's eldest son because until the last day of 2012, younger sons of the Prince of Wales's eldest son were not entitled to the princely title or the style Royal Highness.

The chances of seeing that happen are very remote. Even if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were to have a son now and then conceive another son within a month, that second son would have to be at least 16 to contract a marriage. By that time (2030), the Queen would be 105. Nevertheless, it's an interesting oversight
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They profess to be a modern couple, so I see nothing wrong with calling Kate, Kate Middleton.
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