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Old 08-08-2006, 08:50 AM
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Sarah isn't addressed as "Duchess". Nobody is ever addressed as "Duchess". Sarah's PA apparantly instructs people who are to get a visit from Sarah as "Ma'am" but according to a piece in the Daily Mail, Sarah was insisting on being addressed as "Your Grace" as recently as January of this year. So "Ma'am" yes but "Duchess" no.
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Old 08-08-2006, 09:35 AM
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I don't put any stock into what the Daily Mail says about Sarah. Their columnists are extremely biased against her.
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Old 08-08-2006, 09:47 AM
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Oh I agree but she strikes me as just the sort who would insist on it. She's really in limbo. If I were her, I'd drop the Duchess bit and just go back to being Ms Ferguson.
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Old 08-08-2006, 09:54 AM
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Sarah was once giving an interview at the (US) TV program where my aunt works and she told me Sarah just introduced herself with " Hello, I'm sarah."

a few weeks later Princess Micheal of Kent came by as well and introduced herself with the words "hello, I'm princess michael of kent"

interesting difference...
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:00 AM
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I don't put any stock into what the Daily Mail says about Sarah. Their columnists are extremely biased against her.
I so totally agree! I have made comments on their user board many times asking why they have such a nasty attitude toward her! I really don't get it.
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:06 AM
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Alot of people in Britain see Sarah as an embarrassment and that attitude will take a long time to fall away. She's seen as a bit of a hanger on, eeking an existance out on the book circuit and being a barnicle to her daughters. That might not be the way it really is but thats how she appears and it doesn't do her any favours. I was watching an old Vicar of Dibley last night and it was a post-divorce Sarah who was the butt of the jokes. To most, she'll forever be dirty Fergie who sucked toes and hadn't a clue how to behave. It's sad but it's almost engrained in us now that Sarah just isn't liked.
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:55 AM
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Toe-sucking is old hat. This thread's about titles.

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Old 08-08-2006, 11:23 AM
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A new Press release about new titles/patronages for the Royal Family

Buckingham Palace press releases

APPOINTMENT OF NEW ROYAL NAVY PATRONS
8 August 2006

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS ISSUED BY THE PRESS SECRETARY TO THE QUEEN

The Queen has been pleased to appoint new Royal Patrons of various Royal Navy Commands in recognition of the strong links between the Royal Navy and the Royal family.
The Prince of Wales
Commodore-in-Chief, Plymouth
Prince William
Commodore-in-Chief, Scotland
Commodore-in-Chief, Submarines
Prince Harry
Commodore-in-Chief, Small Ships and Diving
The Duchess of Cornwall
Commodore-in-Chief, Naval Medical Services
The Duke of York
Commodore-in-Chief, Fleet Air Arm
The Earl of Wessex
Commodore-in-Chief, Royal Fleet Auxiliary
The Princess Royal
Commodore-in-Chief, Portsmouth
Prince Michael of Kent
Commodore-in-Chief, Maritime Reserves
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Old 08-08-2006, 11:26 AM
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Yes!! At last, Camilla's a C-in-C.
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:38 PM
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Is this the first time that William and Harry are serving as patrons? Or just the first military ones?
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These are indeed their first honorary military appointments.
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Old 08-20-2006, 03:46 PM
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The earlier post about Majesty was not correct. Henry VIII was the first monarch to use it.
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I wanted too know if princess beatrice or her sister married what would their husbands titles be.
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Well, unless their husbands were offered peerages, nothing. They remain Mr and Beatrice and Eugenie become Mrs whatever after their Princess title. For example, Angus Ogilvy got nothing when he married Princess Alexandra so she became;

HRH Princess Alexandra of Kent, The Hon Mrs Ogilvy.

If Beatrice married Mr Holmes, she'd become;

HRH Princess Beatrice of York, Mrs Holmes
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Old 09-22-2006, 08:19 PM
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That is true in some european countries the title of duke does outrank the title of prince. And also The title of Princess Royal is a title of honor it is not a hereditary title you only recieve the title upon the monarch creating the title for you.
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Well, in Britain, the Dukedom doesn't outrank the Prince/Princess title, it gets an equal precedence and the Royal Family take their precedence based on their Prince/Princess rather than their Duke/Duchess Earl/Countess etc.
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:48 AM
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I have removed quite a few posts regarding European/German titles.
Could we please confine the discussion to British titles.
While other titles may be interesting, they aren't relevant to the British Royal Family.

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Old 09-27-2006, 09:35 PM
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I know that in Britain the title of Duke does not outrank the title of Prince. The meaning of prince means first while the meaning of duke means leader.
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Well, in Britain, the Dukedom doesn't outrank the Prince/Princess title, it gets an equal precedence and the Royal Family take their precedence based on their Prince/Princess rather than their Duke/Duchess Earl/Countess etc.
Well, I think (and Warren would probably know better than I) that a Royal Duke outranks a Prince.. I.e The Duke of York outranks Prince Michael of Kent.

Thus, there is a definite distinction between a royal duke and a non royal duke.
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Old 09-27-2006, 11:34 PM
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Well, I think (and Warren would probably know better than I) that a Royal Duke outranks a Prince.. I.e The Duke of York outranks Prince Michael of Kent.

Thus, there is a definite distinction between a royal duke and a non royal duke.
What we are really talking about here is precedence. Official Precedence in England and Scotland is "laid down" by law and precedent and for the Royal Family it is pretty straightforward: The Sovereign, the Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales (and spouse), etc. So the title as such is not really relevant. For example, the Earl of Wessex has higher 'ranking' than the Duke of Gloucester because Edward is the son of a Sovereign; both are Royal Highnesses, and normally a Duke outranks an Earl, but in this case the title is not the determinant. Similarly, before his marriage Edward was plain Prince Edward, but still outranked the Duke of Gloucester because of his proximity to the Sovereign.

In the Official Precedence non-Royal Dukes (as the Earl of Ulster will be when he inherits the Duke of Gloucester title from his father) are down the list behind the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, the PM and various politicians, High Commissioners and Ambassadors and the Great Officers of State.

The problem is that we are starting to mix up the different subjects of Royal titles and precedence. While precedence is usually determined by title (from office or birth), as ever the immediate Royal Family is different, being at the top of the pyramid.

For those interested in the more arcane detail, we have the Order of Precedence thread, all 18 pages of it.
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