Proposal for Equal Primogeniture Succession

[Noble Consort Ming]

Originally Posted by cepe

Many members of the Cof E never get confirmed, unlike the RCC church where everyone gets confirmed at about 9 or 10 years of age.

I grew up catholic and you don't get confirmed till you're a teenager. At 9 or 10 you would have just made your first confession and communion(ages for this differ in different countries, younger in the US but older in my birth country of Poland).

[Trillian]

Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming

I grew up catholic and you don't get confirmed till you're a teenager. At 9 or 10 you would have just made your first confession and communion(ages for this differ in different countries, younger in the US but older in my birth country of Poland).

Anglicans (at least in the Anglican Church of Australia) you can't take "Communion until after Confirmation.

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by Trillian

Anglicans (at least in the Anglican Church of Australia) you can't take "Communion until after Confirmation.

This seems to depend on the Diocese. In Perth children can take communion under some circumstances: First Holy Communion | Baptisms - St. Georges Cathedral Perth

[COESpiral]

Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming

Some protestant denominations do not baptize babies. They only baptize people after a certain age when they understand what baptism is and can make the decision for themselves. And the orthodox churches give communion to babies after baptism.

This is how my denomination does things. We have Baby Dedications once a year; a ceremony of sorts where the congregation would pray for the child and for his/her parent(s) for God's wisdom and guidance. But baptism is reserved for when they understand what it is and what it represents. Then it's up to the person themselves if they wish to be baptized.

[Iluvbertie]

The rule in the Anglican Church in Australia used to be 'no communion until after confirmation' and then in the mid-90s it started to change with different diocese allowing pre-confirmed children to take communion (I was a member of the synod in Sydney at the time of the vote). My local minister was totally opposed to it. Generally speaking most Anglicans don't take communion until after confirmation - because that is what their parents did so they don't advocate the new approach.

Baptism is very much something that the RC promoted in the dark and middle ages when there was a very high mortality rate in infants but by the time of the reformation that rate had dropped somewhat (no where near today's levels of course but it was dropping). Confirmation is simply a person agreeing to take on the vows that were made for it at baptism anyway - 'confirming the vows' and so if a denomination or culture doesn't do infant baptism but does adult baptism when the person is old enough to make that decision for themselves there is no need for a separate confirmation ceremony.

[Dman]

Royal Central‏@RoyalCentralUK
BREAKING NEWS: Tomorrow, legislation to end male preference primogeniture in the royal succession will begin its journey through Parliament.

Where to watch:
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Live.aspx

[royalistbert]

Now it's journey begins.

[Iluvbertie]

I wonder how long it will take - weeks or years given that it has to pass more than just one parliament.

[Roslyn]

Yes, it will be interesting to see how long it takes to finalise the changes. If parliaments want to get legislation passed they can barrel it through with unseemly speed, or it can go back and forth between committees for ages. Time will tell.

[Iluvbertie]

The British parliament, I believe intends on getting it through in a matter of weeks but that is just the first parliament that has to pass it.

If the baby is a boy I can even see some of the other realms delaying for quite some time - no urgency.

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

If the baby is a boy I can even see some of the other realms delaying for quite some time - no urgency.

This is why I sincerely hope the child is a girl. If it's a boy it will be put on the back-burner and may never get done.

[MarleneKoenig]

Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming

Some protestant denominations do not baptize babies. They only baptize people after a certain age when they understand what baptism is and can make the decision for themselves. And the orthodox churches give communion to babies after baptism.

I think people use the word Protestant too loosely. The only Protestant churches are those churches that grew out of the Reformation, as in protest. There are some Christian churches, such as several Baptist, denominations that do not baptize babies.

[Dman]

Clegg 'modernising out-of-date' royal succession rules:
Royal - ITV News

http://www.parliament.uk/

[Mariel]

If the Cambridge baby is a girl, and if the parliaments have not settled the question yet, then the big question will be this: will Kate and William then have a boy who precedes the first born girl? If they have another girl, same situation as E-beth and Margaret, if the Cambridges hold to their two-child plans.
Sort of seems like a game of chess. So I see why Roslyn hopes it will be a boy. Of course this child will not become monarch for perhaps 50 years, so when thinking about names think of ones that go well with Princess and Prince. We will mostly all be gone to our reward before the child becomes monarch, unless crazy circumstances emerge, which has happened. Prince William of Gloucester passing on at 30 changed that family dramatically, losing charismatic Prince William of G. and gaining the steady calm Richard of Gloucester, his great wife Birgitta, and their three interesting children. The unexpected can be scary but fascinating.

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by Mariel

So I see why Roslyn hopes it will be a boy.

Roslyn hopes it will be a girl.

[Iluvbertie]

The law will be passed - but the fact remains that for the other realms if the first child is a boy they will put it on the back burner.

It isn't all that urgent anyway and in 50 years or so the British population will possibly be even a majority Muslim country meaning that a woman probably wouldn't be acceptable anyway.

[VictoriaB]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

It isn't all that urgent anyway and in 50 years or so the British population will possibly be even a majority Muslim country meaning that a woman probably wouldn't be acceptable anyway.

Benazir Bhutto was elected President of Pakistan and that is a Muslim country.

[Roslyn]

As well as Benazir Bhutto, who was twice (non-consecutively) elected Prime Minister of Pakistan, Megawati Sukanoputri (Indonesia), Khaleda Zia & Sheikh Hasina (Bangladesh), and Tansu Ciller (Turkey), were all elected leaders of their Muslim or Muslim-majority nations.

[Furienna]

Not to mention that I see no reason to believe, that the UK will be a Muslim majority country in fifty years anyway.

[lucien]

On Primogeniture succession..I thought the thread is about Royal Families...and getting as law what is already practice for centuries....not on the likes of women in countries that haven't got the least to do with a Monarchy...Please stay to the topic or it looses it's credibility...if ever...