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Old 10-15-2011, 11:33 PM
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It seems it's Cameron's people who say the Queen is in favor of it:

Queen backs the plan.

Telegraph is not a tabloid, is it?

So it could also be the case that the Queen is in favor of it. Why wouldn't she be? Doesn't she have those private talks with the PM?
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:40 AM
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While the article is interesting and exciting for the changes it talks about, I guess like anything else, we have to wait for a formal announcement from the government regarding any implemented changes. But, wow! Imagine Princess Anne leapfrogging ahead of her younger brothers in the succession.......

I doubt very much if any new proposal would suggest that. There is no need really.

This issue was raised, of course, when Diana was pregnant with William but as he was a boy it was shelved.
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:41 AM
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If the story in the Telegraph is correct, I think it's interesting that the changes will apparently apply to all descendants of the Queen. I wonder if Peter Phillips is just a little nervous knowing that he and Savannah will be two heartbeats away from the throne if the change goes through. (If it happens, he'll probably be a counsellor of state at least at the beginning of the next reign, too.)
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:10 AM
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Is the proposed change in succession retrospective? If so, wouldn't that practically remove William from any chance of becoming the King.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:19 AM
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I haven't seen anything that says that it would alter it beyond the Queen's descendants. The first three places in the line of succession are the same if that change is made. (And any change that would remove William from his place would probably also depose the Queen, so it's really not probable at all.)
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:41 AM
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And/or the media could be pushing the agenda.
Think about it this way/

The issue/agenda goes up in front of all the lawmakers and its on record who voted how and what not.

Do you really think anyone in this day and age would vote NAY?

I think its an issue that would pass in a moment wherever it needs to be passed.

then they'll all go out and drink pink squirrels, bow down and chant MOO to the cow god beluah.

They could ignore the issue too and just go on vacation too.

What do I know.
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:44 AM
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I haven't seen anything that says that it would alter it beyond the Queen's descendants. The first three places in the line of succession are the same if that change is made. (And any change that would remove William from his place would probably also depose the Queen, so it's really not probable at all.)
I would imagine too that the decree would state "from this day forward" or similar. Enacted on the day it was decided on.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:45 AM
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While I think this would be a pretty popular non-binding measure (equality! yeah! seriously, who would go up against that?), my impression is that execution would be awfully messy.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:50 AM
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So the line of succession, if enacted and retroactive, would be the Prince of Wales and his children (which would not have changed), then Princess Anne, Peter Phillips and his family, Zara and any future children of her marriage, Prince Andrew and family, Prince Edward and his family. I can imagine Peter having a bit of a shock knowing he's thisclose to the succession if there is a law implemented, and Mike Tindall as well. And I wouldn't think in this modern age that there would be naysayers, either, other than those grey suits who want to uphold tradition but they'd be wise to go along with the times.
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:42 AM
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It's not going to be retroactive, that's silly.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:00 PM
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With the way Princess Anne goes about her business and then comparing that to current number 4 Andrew, I don't really see what's wrong with doing it retroactively JMHO. Obviously if it affected the heir and his heir that would be a problem but as it doesn't, I think Prince Philip would be quite pleased to see his beloved daughter and favourite grandson and granddaughter move up a few places. In regards to Peter and Zara then continuing with their current careers, only the HRH title confines them to royal life and not their position in succession.
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I haven't seen anything that says that it would alter it beyond the Queen's descendants. The first three places in the line of succession are the same if that change is made. (And any change that would remove William from his place would probably also depose the Queen, so it's really not probable at all.)
Thanks. In a moment of confusion I reversed the birth order of Anne and Charles.
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So the line of succession, if enacted and retroactive, would be the Prince of Wales and his children (which would not have changed), then Princess Anne, Peter Phillips and his family, Zara and any future children of her marriage, Prince Andrew and family, Prince Edward and his family. I can imagine Peter having a bit of a shock knowing he's thisclose to the succession if there is a law implemented, and Mike Tindall as well. And I wouldn't think in this modern age that there would be naysayers, either, other than those grey suits who want to uphold tradition but they'd be wise to go along with the times.
I can't imagine Peter would be that shocked as he knows that even if this law is changed, the possibilty of him becoming King is very small. The same can be said for the current order as I am sure Andrew and Edward are quite happy with the lineup as they know they will never become King.

Out of the entire family, if we could choose a Monarch, my choice would be Anne (she'd be just like her mother, a no-nonsense kinda gal) or Edward (Mainly because Sophie would make an awesome Queen), however I think out of all of them the only person who really WANTS to be Monarch is Charles.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:26 PM
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Does anyone have a link to the actual language proposed by Cameron or is it just a 'topic' to be discussed? Many articles state that it would start with children born to William and Catherine with the first born becoming the future monarch, irrespective of gender. Others seem to believe it would apply to the Queen's children, moving Anne ahead of Andrew and Edward.
Seems to me that starting w/ Charles and his descendants would be easiest since he had no daughters and his children haven't had children yet, thus no changes.
Starting w/ William and Catherine could leave Harry and his future children under the old rules, should something cause William and Catherine to not have heirs.
Starting with the descendants of the Queen my take on the changes:
Anne (from 10 to 4)
Peter (from 11 to 5)
Peter's daughter (from 12 to 6)
Zara (from 13 to 7)
Andrew (from 4 to 8)
Beatrice (from 5 to 9)
Eugenie (from 6 to 10)
Edward (from 7 to 11)
Edward's daughter (from 9 to 12)
Edward's son (from 8 to 13)
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:33 PM
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I think it's a good idea but how can we be sure that their first born will be a girl and their second a boy? It would be nice though to see Kate give birth to a princess, I am sure William would like a little girl because of not having a sister,but Harry on the other hand gets a sister , a sister-in-law.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:46 PM
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I can't imagine Peter would be that shocked as he knows that even if this law is changed, the possibilty of him becoming King is very small. The same can be said for the current order as I am sure Andrew and Edward are quite happy with the lineup as they know they will never become King.

Out of the entire family, if we could choose a Monarch, my choice would be Anne (she'd be just like her mother, a no-nonsense kinda gal) or Edward (Mainly because Sophie would make an awesome Queen), however I think out of all of them the only person who really WANTS to be Monarch is Charles.
The possibility of Peter Phillips, or anyone else in the royal family other than the expected heirs, becoming sovereign would be most unlikely, that's true. However, I think that just being moved up nearer to the throne would be a bit of a jolt to the system for anyone, IMHO. Peter's position would be fifth in line to the succession, for example, a radical difference from his current one. I know that dramatic change would make me pause, but who can say how anyone would feel under those circumstances?

And Anne would definitely make an extremely competent ruler; there's something about her that makes me think of Elizabeth I.
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Old 10-16-2011, 04:10 PM
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If the change was to move Anne and her line above that of Andrew then there would be a very big change - who would be eligible to be the 4th CoS - from Andrew to Anne and Peter would then have to be prepared to take on that responsibility as well (something he hasn't really ever been prepared to do as it was always assumed that he would never have to serve in that capacity) while Beatrice would have been prepared to do it.
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Do you think the government would take such drastic changes and shuffling around of the line of succession within the royal family into consideration and just change primogeniture with William's and Kate's children? That is, of course, if they are considering the latter scenario only.
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Old 10-16-2011, 05:59 PM
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From what I've read from non-tabloid sources the changes would not affect the relative positions of anyone currently alive but would begin with children born after some date in the very near future. So, no Anne and her family leapfrogging over her brothers and their children. They could even put that date at Jan. 1, 2000 and only really affect Louise and James Wessex (and possibly Savannah depending on if her new sibling is a brother or a sister.) Beyond the descendents of George VI it's really only academic anyway.
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Establishing a date for equal primogeniture for the future generation rather than the current one might be a neat solution, but it's all speculation anyway (which makes it the fun part) until the law is approved and passed. It would be exciting to see British history in the making if this does get implemented.
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