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Old 09-19-2014, 02:09 AM
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I'm so glad that Scotland is staying with the UK! Big relief! Just hope that no trouble comes about now in the aftermath.


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Old 09-19-2014, 02:11 AM
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That would be monumentally stupid. And a sure way to ensure the yes side a win the next time.

It seems now that the no-side won, hardly surprising. Which means the yes-side didn't have a good enough case, - at least not yet...

But, - but a result around 55-45 also meas the no-side were not particularly convincing either. So there are clearly a number of political issues that needs to be addressed.
Unfortunately, even though most politicians would like to think of themselves as statesmen, hardly anyone are. So I believe the UK politicians will react more or less like the EU politicians at the last EU election: Be shocked for a few days, then collectively close their eyes for the issue and start (again) believing their own interpretations, which corresponds with what they want to believe...
So in a couple of years at the latest, Scotland will be back to square one and the yes-side will gain momentum again...
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:13 AM
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It's not so very long since 21 was the age of majority for voting and legal purposes. I'm puzzled that 16 & 17-year-olds were permitted to vote in this referendum and wonder about the implications for the future.
On another note, marvellous turn-out of voters - similar to NZ where voter turn-out is usually 80%+
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:19 AM
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It's not so very long since 21 was the age of majority for voting and legal purposes. I'm puzzled that 16 & 17-year-olds were permitted to vote in this referendum and wonder about the implications for the future.
On another note, marvellous turn-out of voters - similar to NZ where voter turn-out is usually 80%+
I wondered about the lowering of the voting age too. I thought I heard something on the news that someone thought young people would be more likely to vote yes.

Impressive voter turnout for NZ! In the US, even for presidential elections, we usually have less than 60% turnout.
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:25 AM
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Australia would be disappointed with a turn-out as low as Scotland's for this referendum. We regularly get around 98%.

There is a reason of course - we have compulsory voting (and there are some very good reasons why with the main one being that it is therefore up to the government to get the polling station to the electors rather than have many people disenfranchised simply because they live too far from a polling station. Yes postal votes are possible but again you have to go somewhere to organise that but if the polling station will come to your community in the outback then it is much better for all concerned and for our democracy).

The 45/55 split, for anyone interested, is the same that Australia had for its republican referendum in 1999 and that is largely on the back-burner now.
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:33 AM
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The distance from a polling place is not the main reason for low voter turnout in the US, since a great many of us now vote by mail.
People seem cynical about their votes counting, possibly due to the size of the population, or that even a candidate who doesn't win the majority of votes can still be "appointed" president.
Sorry, I know I'm getting off topic, I'll stop now.
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:35 AM
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To me, as an Aussie living in a successful Federation, it would seem logical to me that each of the 'countries' - NI, Wales, Scotland AND England should all have their own assemblies to deal with specific issues for them while Westminster deals with the big issues that affect everyone.
I feel the same way, and probably for the same reason.

I have never really thought of the UK as one country, but as a group of four different countries united politically in various ways for mutual convenience and benefit, but each having a separate and distinct national identity.
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:46 AM
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To me, as an Aussie living in a successful Federation, it would seem logical to me that each of the 'countries' - NI, Wales, Scotland AND England should all have their own assemblies to deal with specific issues for them while Westminster deals with the big issues that affect everyone.
You have the best solution to the problems that they all have been facing, great idea Iluvbertie, now from your lips to their ears and hoping that they all live up to their promises. I am very glad it went this way, so very glad.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:27 AM
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It's not so very long since 21 was the age of majority for voting and legal purposes. I'm puzzled that 16 & 17-year-olds were permitted to vote in this referendum and wonder about the implications for the future.
On another note, marvellous turn-out of voters - similar to NZ where voter turn-out is usually 80%+
Am I right in thinking that in a General Election the voting age remains at 18?

As to voter turnout in NZ, I am at a loss as to where you obtained that figure. According to Statistics New Zealand, voter turnout has been falling steadily from a high of 91.4% in 1981, to at 91.4% to 74.2 in 2011. And, I think tomorrows General Election is heading for a record low.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:39 AM
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It's not so very long since 21 was the age of majority for voting and legal purposes. I'm puzzled that 16 & 17-year-olds were permitted to vote in this referendum and wonder about the implications for the future.
On another note, marvellous turn-out of voters - similar to NZ where voter turn-out is usually 80%+
There is a very simple explanation for that.

Teens tend to vote for left wing parties, (or would like to vote left, were they allowed) so left wing parties are generally in favour of lowering the age for voting.
Labour is in a very strong position in Scotland and as I understand it the Scots in general are social-democratically inclined, so...
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:40 AM
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Just woke up to check the vote. This was a marvelous display of democracy at work. Congratulations to all Scots on a robust voter turnout. Well done.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:42 AM
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It is very heartening that people were so passionate about this issue and were passionate enough to go and have their say. I would have preferred that the majority decision was more convincing, ie more than 70% either way.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:51 AM
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The Prime minister's response:

BBC News - David Cameron sets out UK-wide changes 'to build better future'

Better together, build a better UK - I do wish a better word could be found instead of better!
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:28 AM
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:57 AM
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Am I right in thinking that in a General Election the voting age remains at 18?

As to voter turnout in NZ, I am at a loss as to where you obtained that figure. According to Statistics New Zealand, voter turnout has been falling steadily from a high of 91.4% in 1981, to at 91.4% to 74.2 in 2011. And, I think tomorrows General Election is heading for a record low.
"Usually 80%+" is pretty much what these figures say: General elections 1853-2011 - dates and turnout | Electoral Commission
and I couldn't speak for tomorrow's
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Old 09-19-2014, 05:02 AM
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I think this clearly demonstrates how ridiculous the situation is - is he British or Scottish? When he plays for Britain is he really playing for Scotland?! Will he ever play for England or for GB again?
Bit like the problem we've had here with Rory McIlroy waiting for him to declare for the Olympics.

I'm glad Scotland stayed ok here in Ireland we got our independence but at a price and it hasn't been all smooth sailing.

For me the main thing if I had been voting in the Scotting Referendum was the fact that Alex Salmond couldn't/or wouldn't 100% confirm what the currency would be in 18 months time. Forget everything else its money that makes the world go round
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Old 09-19-2014, 05:07 AM
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For me the main thing if I had been voting in the Scotting Referendum was the fact that Alex Salmond couldn't/or wouldn't 100% confirm what the currency would be in 18 months time. Forget everything else its money that makes the world go round
Yep. People were concerned about what was going to happen to their savings, and how they were going to be able to pay their mortgages and whether their jobs would still be there for them. I think the economic uncertainty and genuine fears stopped a lot of people from voting for independence even though they would like Scotland to be independent.
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Old 09-19-2014, 06:13 AM
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It's not so very long since 21 was the age of majority for voting and legal purposes. I'm puzzled that 16 & 17-year-olds were permitted to vote in this referendum and wonder about the implications for the future.
On another note, marvellous turn-out of voters - similar to NZ where voter turn-out is usually 80%+

There were permitted to vote because a; Salmond thought they'd vote yes, b; because he claimed it was "fairer", despite not allowing Scottish born people who we're living abroad to vote! and c; 16+17 year olds are perfectly capable of understanding politics when explained correctly. GE age is still 18, but it'll probably be lowered in years to come.
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Old 09-19-2014, 07:03 AM
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Didn't people who live in Scotland but were citizens of another country (not the UK) were allowed to vote? Is that a common thing in the rest of the world. In the US, you can't vote in elections if you are not an American citizen.


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Old 09-19-2014, 08:06 AM
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From the BBC

BBC News - Scottish referendum: Scotland votes 'No' to independence


BBC News - Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
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