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Old 09-11-2014, 08:42 AM
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Just glanced at this - really just the headlines and opening first lines which I will quote:

The Royal Bank of Scotland and TSB announced today both will quit the country if voters chose independence as the banks turned their back on Scottish separatists.
In a hammer blow to the Yes campaign RBS, Lloyds, Clydesdale and Edinburgh-based TSB say they will move to England if next Thursday’s referendum ends the 307-year Union.
The series of announcements by big firms admitting they would leave Scotland has put the No camp back in the lead in a new poll.


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John Lewis and Waitrose caused further damage to the Yes campaign today after it said shoppers in Scotland are likely to face higher prices if the country votes in favour of independence, days after B&Q gave the same warning.

From the little I've read on the matter, I can't believe that anyone in Scotland is seriously considering this.
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Old 09-11-2014, 08:47 AM
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And now we get to the heart of the matter; Scottish oil money. But wasn't it the U.K who paid for the drilling platforms, etc, etc, that made the excavation possible?

Yes it was. All subsidised by the English tax-payer.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:18 AM
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I don't mind asking a dumb question, so please be kind...

I understand that the Monarch must remain out of politics, but what about the "speech" she gives at the opening of Parliament? Who writes that speech? Is there a reason why she couldn't be given another speech to read at this crucial moment? Surely that would be considered as part of her right to warn. And if this has already been asked and answered, I have been traveling and unable to keep up. Thanks.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:21 AM
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And now we get to the heart of the matter; Scottish oil money. But wasn't it the U.K who paid for the drilling platforms, etc, etc, that made the excavation possible?
Qyuite right. and not long to go before the oil runs out!
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:28 AM
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I understand that the Monarch must remain out of politics, but what about the "speech" she gives at the opening of Parliament? Who writes that speech? Is there a reason why she couldn't be given another speech to read at this crucial moment? Surely that would be considered as part of her right to warn. And if this has already been asked and answered, I have been traveling and unable to keep up. Thanks.
The Queen's Speech is from A to Z written by the Government and expresses the view of the Government and not from the Queen.

The Queen has nothing to gain by speaking out. When the vote is NO, she will remain Queen of the United Kingdom as she is at present. When the vote is YES, she will have another throne added, as Queen of Scots.

With choosing for the NO-camp, she will infuriate roughly half of the Scots. Requesting the Queen to speak out for the NO-camp and taking a stance against the YES-camp is the most ill-advised possible recommendation ever made to Her Majesty.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:35 AM
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David Cameron was facing an English backlash at Westminster last night over the rush to hand Scotland sweeping new powers.

The Prime Minister yesterday confirmed that Scotland would get ‘major new powers over tax, spending and welfare’ if it voted No to independence next week.
Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg are also pledging a major transfer of powers in a last-ditch bid to persuade Scots to keep the UK together

But the move provoked alarm among English MPs, who last night warned it would be ‘untenable’ for Scotland to be handed new powers without major reform of its voting rights at Westminster and generous funding settlement.

Former Tory Cabinet minister John Redwood said ministers now needed to answer the question: ‘Who speaks for England?’

Speaking in the Commons, Mr Redwood said England ‘needs a voice’ in any negotiation about the future balance of the Union.
Questions raised over David Cameron's pledges on tax and spending | Mail Online
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:42 PM
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Alex Salmond today launched an extraordinary rant at the BBC after the broadcaster reported how even the Royal Bank of Scotland planned to relocate to England in the event of independence.
In a bizarre press conference he launched a series of petulant attacks on the BBC, Westminster leaders and the Australian prime minister.
And he revealed he has called for an official inquiry into the Treasury's 'deliberate attempt to cause uncertainty in the financial markets' by leaking details of RBS's fears about the break up of the Union.
Alex Salmond rants at BBC after RBS says it will quit after 'Yes' vote | Mail Online
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Old 09-11-2014, 08:33 PM
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Oooh! Things are getting nasty over there!
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Higher costs, companies like the Royal Bank of Scotland leaving Scotland... were the ramifications of this schism thought out at all by those wanting independence?

Salmond's rant almost reminds of Sarah Palin's disastrous interview with Katie Couric, which I believe marked a turning point in that campaign.
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Old 09-11-2014, 08:38 PM
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Higher costs, companies like the Royal Bank of Scotland leaving Scotland... were the ramifications of this schism thought out at all by those wanting independence?

Salmond's rant almost reminds of Sarah Palin's disastrous interview with Katie Couric, which I believe marked a turning point in that campaign.
I get the impression that no-one on the "no" side thought there was a serious chance of the "yes" team winning, and once it seemed that was indeed a possibility they have resorted to threats which have drawn attention to issues that were previously glossed over or ignored by the "yes" side.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:16 PM
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I get the impression that no-one on the "no" side thought there was a serious chance of the "yes" team winning, and once it seemed that was indeed a possibility they have resorted to threats which have drawn attention to issues that were previously glossed over or ignored by the "yes" side.
They are not threats. alex Salmond has equivocated on major issues. He has said that Scotland will have the £ even though the BoE has repeatedly said it will not happen. Therefore He needs a Bank of England equivalent with sufficient reserves to cover all potential risk. He hasn't answered this question.

It isnt a threat, its a fact. The BoE (which will spk for UK without Scotland) cannot guarantee the debts and management of a foreign country (Scotland) unless that country accepts the financial decisions of the UK. Where is the independence in that?

Salmond has assumed Uk is bluffing. It isnt.

Ive said that I want UK to remain but I will respect their decision. I still feel like that. but I am being told by individuals that they are already moving their businesses.

today we made arrangements to move our savings out of a Scotland based bank.

Its all we have and it needs to be safe.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:23 PM
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Cepe - my friends' families are doing the same thing - moving every penny they have to English banks and out of Scottish ones as well as arranging their affairs to be operating in England or Wales as they are fearful of what will happen if it is a Yes vote.
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This is all very interesting. Yes, there are ramifications to this, so the Scots will have to weigh their wants and needs.
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Old 09-11-2014, 11:30 PM
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So now people are making runs on the bank (can't blame them) and it's the Scottish banks suffering.

Talk about Salmond's Folly.
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I have been reading this thread and I will admit that I know very little about the economics of this situation. My personal reason for wanting Scotland to stay is that part of the world is where some of my family are from and the rest from Ireland. For history's sake I really hope it doesn't happen, now who is the Alex whatever his last name is? Why is he trying to break up the union? What does he hope to gain from it? Does he want to be president of Scotland or what? There has to be a real hard reason for wanting to do not just because he thinks it would be in the best interest of Scotland...........reasons? money in his bank account? power in governing Scotland?
I can't see it happening, Scotland will fall apart if this happens, and I think now it seems there is panic setting in...........Oh the foolishness of some men who think they know what is best for everyone else at the expense of everyone else while they don't pay the price............
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I have been reading this thread and I will admit that I know very little about the economics of this situation. My personal reason for wanting Scotland to stay is that part of the world is where some of my family are from and the rest from Ireland. For history's sake I really hope it doesn't happen, now who is the Alex whatever his last name is? Why is he trying to break up the union? What does he hope to gain from it? Does he want to be president of Scotland or what? There has to be a real hard reason for wanting to do not just because he thinks it would be in the best interest of Scotland...........reasons? money in his bank account? power in governing Scotland?
I can't see it happening, Scotland will fall apart if this happens, and I think now it seems there is panic setting in...........Oh the foolishness of some men who think they know what is best for everyone else at the expense of everyone else while they don't pay the price............

Alex Salmond is the First Minister of Scotland. Basically he's the top guy in the local Scottish government.

He is also the leader of the Scottish National Party, which is the party that's in power in Scotland. SNP is in favour of an independent Scotland but officially SNP says it isn't a republican party.

What the referendum is pushing for is for Scotland to be an independent country, comparable to Canada or Australia - still retaining the Queen and a Westminster style government, but not a part of the UK.

As such, if Scotland were to gain its independence then the leader of the Scottish government would be the Prime Minister, not the President.

In order for Scotland to have a president it would have to become a republic. This referendum is not an attempt to make Scotland a republic, although if independence were to occur then it could be the first step towards becoming a republic. I don't know what the republican movement is like within Scotland, but I wouldn't necessarily rush to compare it to Ireland (whose independence was the first step to republic) or any of the other realms.

Ireland had a long history of being conquered and oppressed by England/Britain. The story of English colonialism begins in Ireland in the 13th century. They were never in any way equals within their union and the monarchy was always a foreign oppressor. While there were times when the English or British were foreign oppressors in Scotland, it's not comparable in the same way. Further there is a considerable history of monarchy within Scotland - one that goes back as long as the English one does - and the union occurred because the crowns merged, not an actual impression (it remained by force, but that's not how it started). Queen Elizabeth II is as much a descendant of Kenneth I as she is a descendant of Alfred the Great.
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Thank you so very much for the history lesson. Being of Scottish heritage I have a grown son who is in love with Scotland and wants to move there like *right this minute* and he has more books on Scotland then the public library here. He thinks this is horrible and is always telling me I should learn more about Scotland and now I think he is right.

I think in what I have read that this would have a huge economic impact on the people if this went through. In knowing the human nature as it is, I wonder just how many people have really thought this out......the way of life would change over night and would effect all the people, I look at this vote like here in the US when it's election time.......what a laugh it is, so many people young and old both, vote the way of their family without even looking at the person running for office, or the way of friends or who is the most handsome(yes my cousin did), or whatever. People need to really study the pros and cons of this vote and with the back and forth and ups and downs that I have read about, this isn't being done. This Alex sounds like to me, someone who wants power and to be the number one man in the government, I question his motives and would love to see his bank accounts for money always talks and people tell lies to get your vote as this happens all the time here.
Just wishing that it's a no vote and hope the people really learn what is really going on before it's too late.
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Mr Salmond has a point. 85% of the shares of RBS are in hands of.... the UK Government. When HM's Treasury has urged the Board of RBS to speak out then this is indeed playing nasty and not from the SNP side.

Now major companies are threatening that the costs of living will rise, as well the interest rates, in case of an independence. It is interesting too see that the already independent neighbour of the Scots, which is Ireland, has lower costs of living ánd lower interest rates than the UK... Of course Ireland is helped by being part of the giant Eurozone which works in Ireland's advantage but nasty games are played here.
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I have been reading this thread and I will admit that I know very little about the economics of this situation. My personal reason for wanting Scotland to stay is that part of the world is where some of my family are from and the rest from Ireland. For history's sake I really hope it doesn't happen, now who is the Alex whatever his last name is? Why is he trying to break up the union? What does he hope to gain from it? Does he want to be president of Scotland or what? There has to be a real hard reason for wanting to do not just because he thinks it would be in the best interest of Scotland...........reasons? money in his bank account? power in governing Scotland?
I can't see it happening, Scotland will fall apart if this happens, and I think now it seems there is panic setting in...........Oh the foolishness of some men who think they know what is best for everyone else at the expense of everyone else while they don't pay the price............
"Now, who is the Alex whatever his last name is?"
His name is Mr Alex Salmond and he is now serving as First Minister, in his second consecutive term. His party has won the last Scottish Elections by a landslide and emerged with an overall majority. This means that in legal, free and democratic elections the Scots have deliberately and out of free will chosen his party and his ideas.

"Why is he trying to break up the union?"

Mr Alex Salmond believes that the Scottish interests are best managed by the Scots themselves. To illustrate this he often gives the example of the current Government, dominated by the Conservatives which has only one Conservative MP representing a Scottish constituency. Mr Salmond likes to stress that the Scots are always outnumbered one to ten, whatever the Scots will vote for in any UK General Election.

"Does he want to be president of Scotland or what?"
No. Mr Alex Salmond wants Scotland to be an independent nation with Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth as Queen of Scots.

Instead of blaming everything on Mr Salmond, the unionist should think and ask themselves how it is possible that their Union is apparently so disliked that all possible political leaders, multinationals, businesses and even celebrities have to come out in full force to avoid a dramatic break-up. Instead of mocking the SNP and depicting Mr Salmond as a madman, the Unionists should think: "Hey... the nationalist desire finds quite a resonance in Scottish society, what is it that the Union is so under threat, isn't it time to take it seriously?"
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