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Old 02-08-2013, 11:28 PM
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I'd say the Private Order of Precedence goes like this:
- The Duke of Edinburgh
- The Prince of Wales
- The Duke of Cambridge
- Prince Henry of Wales
- The Duke of York
- The Earl of Wessex *
- The Duke of Gloucester
- The Duke of Kent
- Timothy Lawrence

* Viscount Severn is not included because he is not of age yet[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't Viscount Lindley be ahead of the Dukes of G & K and Timothy Lawrence?
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:03 AM
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Wouldn't Viscount Lindley be ahead of the Dukes of G & K and Timothy Lawrence?
Normally, in the Official Order of Precedence the Sovereign's nephews (such as Viscount Linley) come ahead of the Sovereign's cousins (the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent), and the husband of the Sovereign's daughter isn't included at all. However, I would say the Duke of Gloucester and the Duke of Kent have been given preference over Viscount Linley as working members of the Royal Family who also have the style of Royal Highness and title of Princes.

Since no word has ever been given on the hierarchy in the Private Order of Precedence (or indeed, we don't even know it exists in the first place), this is all speculation on my part. The only indirect confirmation of an existence of such an Order comes from the fact that William and Harry often take precedence over their uncles (which shouldn't be the case in the Official Order, where the Sovereign's son take precedence over the Sovereign's grandsons).
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:39 AM
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Does anyone know what the Order of Precedence was when Queen Victoria ascended the throne? I'm a bit curious regarding her mother's place in the precedence. I know by law and statute, Queen Adelaide came after Victoria.
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:50 PM
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I have a question about the order of precedence. If a peeress in her own right married a peer, would her precedence stay the same?
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:57 PM
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I have a question about the order of precedence. If a peeress in her own right married a peer, would her precedence stay the same?
I'm not sure what would happen if her husband's title was higher than her's but if her's is higher than her husband's, she takes the precedence that goes with her own title.

An example of this is Countess Mountbatten of Burma. She was married to Baron Brabourne when her father was murdered and she succeeded to the Earldom. Since then she has been known formally as Countess Mountbatten rather than Lady Brabourne - even before her husband died and her son succeeded to the Brabourne title.
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:58 PM
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I have a question about the order of precedence. If a peeress in her own right married a peer, would her precedence stay the same?
I guess that would depend on if her husband had a higher title. If his title was higher I would imagine that is what she would go with but if lower she would keep her own higher precedence.

When Lady Patricia Mountbatten married Lord Brabourne her precedence dropped from being that of an earls daughter to that of a Barons wife. When she became Countess Mountbatten of Burma her precedence became higher than that of her Baron husband.
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:17 AM
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I have a question about the order of precedence. If a peeress in her own right married a peer, would her precedence stay the same?
Her own personal precedence, if higher than her husband's, would remain the same. But wives take the precedence of their husband, so when together, it would reflect his title unless a royal warrant provides otherwise.
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:42 PM
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So tonight I met the Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh & Prince William. Amazing. #TechAtPalace

https://twitter.com/kierondonoghue/s...373248/photo/1

Its appears at least for private precedence the Duke of Cambridge is ahead of his uncle Andrew.
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:12 AM
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William was after his grandparents in the receiving line also.
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:40 AM
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I thought William was meant to be AFTER his uncles if his father wasn't present? Meh. The Queen makes it up as she goes along.
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Old 06-10-2014, 08:02 AM
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look at Court Circular The British Royals Message Board: Court Circular 6 June 2014

It's very clear that prince William is ahead of his uncles

HÔTEL DE CHAROST, RUE DU FAUBOURG ST. HONORÉ, PARI: The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh this morning .....
CLARENCE HOUSE: The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall this morning attended....
KENSINGTON PALACE: The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge this afternoon ....
BUCKINGHAM PALACE: The Duke of York, Chairman of the Trustees, this evening ....
BUCKINGHAM PALACE: The Earl of Wessex, Trustee, this morning ....
The Countess of Wessex, President, the Royal Cornwall Agricultural Association, today attended ....
BUCKINGHAM PALACE: The Princess Royal, Patron, Sense International, this morning attended ....
ST. JAMES'S PALACE: The Duke of Kent, Colonel-in-Chief, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, this morning ....
THATCHED HOUSE LODGE RICHMOND PARK: Princess Alexandra this evening attended....
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:11 PM
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I don't know how Andrew would be ahead of William...William is the son of the heir. Andrew is merely the brother of the heir.

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Old 06-10-2014, 04:30 PM
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I don't know how Andrew would be ahead of William...William is the son of the heir. Andrew is merely the brother of the heir.

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William is merely the grandson of The Queen's eldest son while Andrew is one of her own sons - a child she carried, nurtured and raised - is another way of expressing it.

The CC usually lists engagements in order of succession which isn't the same as order of precedence.

There have been occasions when I have seen Harry's engagements listed ahead of Charles' for instance - along with the Duke of Gloucester and Princess Anne - depends on what the engagement is.
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I thought William was meant to be AFTER his uncles if his father wasn't present? Meh. The Queen makes it up as she goes along.
I said a while ago here that they follow the rules until they don't. There are all these "this unless" clauses that apply. That's how it is. I've given up on this issue and have decided to remain blissfully ignorant.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:37 AM
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Court Circular aside, Rudolph's post had a picture of the invitation which listed William ahead Andrew. Whoever does the invitations in the Royal Household, would list it correctly I assume. Also photos of the event, show William after his grandparents but ahead of his uncle as they walked through the line of guests being greeted.
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Old 06-14-2014, 12:10 PM
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Artemisia and padams2359, you both forgot Prince Michael in "your" private precedence lists! Or maybe you think (or know) that he is not included in the Private Precedence?

Also, what about the Dowager Countess of Harewood? If the late Earl had a place in the precedence among the Royal Family (at least that official one), as a royal cousin of the Queen, his widow should be there also until her death or remarriage. I know that she does not take any part in the life of the firm (has she any contact with her late husband's royal relatives??), so my question here is only theoretical, but it's quite interesting to me.
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Old 06-14-2014, 12:29 PM
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The funeral of the late Queen Elizabeth and the wedding of Prince William have shown that the Order of Precedence is taken with some easiness and is ultimately what it is: a guide. Not a prescription.

These days, when world leader Angela says Barack against another world leader, or are going to join in a rowing boat "casually dressed", the importance of precedence is under erosion. There is some "automatic" order: the Prince of Wales and his spouse will follow the Queen and the Duke. And the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge as well Prince Harry of Wales are in that top pack too. The rest has figured somewhat, by experience, by taking one's age, position, closeness to the Queen, a sort of natural precedence. There is no courtier sweating and almost fainting, trying to convince members of the royal family that someone ranked no 17 whould swap urgently with someone ranked no 14...

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Old 12-12-2014, 03:14 PM
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The order of precedence is tricky: By Parliament, The Prince of Wales outranks his father; we all know that the Duke of Edinburgh (from the Queens point of view), outranks The Prince of Wales.

In addition from what I understand, when it comes to Precedence, ROYAL DUKES, outrank royal princes. This would mean that Prince Harry comes after his Uncle and before his cousins.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:46 PM
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The Queen issued specific orders regarding the precedence of Philip which makes it clear that - other then those specified occasions when the Prince of Wales must take precedence then Philip takes precedence immediately after The Queen - giving him the same status a Queen Consort would have.
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