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Old 05-12-2006, 02:11 PM
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Well, when George V's youngest son married Princess Marina of Greece, she followed her sisters in law the Duchesses of York and Gloucester, who were daughers of Scottish nobles, in the royal precedence. The difference was that she was still Princess Marina whereas the other two didn't become Princess Elizabeth or Princess Alice.

The way the Queen has faffed around with the Order of Precedence means that it's probably anybody's guess. I mean, if William marries Kate Middleton and Harry marries Princess Beatrice, who knows who'll end up where.
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:18 PM
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The official order of precedence for female members of the royal family is based on line of succession to the throne, whether your husband's place or held in your own right. So, the closer you are to being Queen, the higher your precedence. It has nothing to do with your title or birth status.

So, Harry's wife would follow William's wife who would follow Camilla. Although their rank is derived from their marriages, Harry and William's wives would come before the princesses of the blood royal who are within the line of succession in their own right.

In general, the royal order of precedence is generally quite different and usually the princesses of the blood royal take precedence ahead of princesses by marriage, although usually the wife of the heir to the throne take precedence ahead of all other females other than The Queen or a Dowager Queen.
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:22 PM
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The way the Queen has faffed around with the Order of Precedence means that it's probably anybody's guess. I mean, if William marries Kate Middleton and Harry marries Princess Beatrice, who knows who'll end up where.
Officially, The Queen has designated The Duchess of Cornwall as coming after The Princess Royal and Princess Alexandra, but so far anyway, it seems Camilla usually follows The Queen at royal occasions as well.

This may be a voluntary concession on the part of Princess Anne and Alexandra to Camilla as the wife of the heir to the throne, just as Diana was granted the same concession by Princess Margaret and Princess Anne (who both came before her in the royal order of precedence while she was married).
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:33 AM
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I did read an article that the order of precedence of royal ladies had changed in favour of those of the blood royal. I didn't think much of it because I just assumed that it was in response to the experience the BRF had with Princess Diana and the former Duchess of York. Here today, gone tomorrow.
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Old 07-12-2006, 09:52 AM
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The new order of precedence is only for private family occasions, so we're unlikely to ever see it in action in public.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:51 AM
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The Order of Precedence changes quite a few times a year with deaths etc because it goes through Dukes, Dukes' Wives, Dukes' children, Duke's children's wives etc etc. When one drops out, another steps up. It's only really Royal changes we hear about.
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:14 PM
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Does the Order of Percedence really matter at all? I mean...in public when the royal family leaves a service (for example), it appears as if they follow the line of succession when the leave.
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:29 PM
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Sorry I'm little lost.

Can anyone tell me what if Will or Harry would marry a princess of the blood? What will be her rank, order of precedence etc.?
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:35 PM
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That might be interesting. If Harry marries a princess and William doesn't, goodness knows what the precedence will look like.
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:49 PM
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That might be interesting. If Harry marries a princess and William doesn't, goodness knows what the precedence will look like.
Which princesses do you see that might lead to such questions? Madeleine of Sweden comes to mind but apart from her? IMHO it would take a princess from a reigning house and I don't see one on the horizon. Even if Harry waits some more years and falls for Mako or Kako of Japan, they both would loose their status on marrying - and why should the queen bother if the princesses' own country has nothing against degrading them to the position of commoner on marriage?
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:53 PM
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Really..it could be one of the Princess of the German royal families...or my personal fave....Princess Theodora of Greece. One of TNT girls....is that Thurn von Ta...? I am sure at that point the issue (order of precedence) is moot. As its been mentioned before....they rarely use it and its just too darn confusing :)
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:55 PM
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Which princesses do you see that might lead to such questions? Madeleine of Sweden comes to mind but apart from her? IMHO it would take a princess from a reigning house and I don't see one on the horizon. Even if Harry waits some more years and falls for Mako or Kako of Japan, they both would loose their status on marrying - and why should the queen bother if the princesses' own country has nothing against degrading them to the position of commoner on marriage?
That's Only hypothetical princess!!!

Btw. What would happen if f.ex. Harry would marry a princess from reigning house and Will would marry a princess from non-reigning house?
Or what if one of them would marry princess with the title of HIH or HI&RH (and she would convert? to the Anglican Church)?
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:03 PM
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Which princesses do you see that might lead to such questions?
What if he marries Beatrice? Not only is she a princess but she's a Windsor princess. And if William marries Kate, who precedes who in the order of precedence?
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:04 PM
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That's Only HYPOTHETICAL princess!!!

Btw. What would happen if f.ex. Harry would marry a princess from reigning house and Will would marry a princess from non-reigning house?
Or what if one of them would marry princess with the title of HIH or HI&RH (and she would convert? to the Anglican Church)?
As far as I know, the only HIH's out there are the Japanese princesses, and they lose their titles when they marry. So they'd be instantaneously swapping HIH for HRH.
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:44 PM
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Precedence very much matters at dinner parties, church services, ceremonial etc. I think that if William did marry Beatrice or Madeleine, they'd be treated by their new station and not their old.
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:52 PM
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As far as I know, the only HIH's out there are the Japanese princesses, and they lose their titles when they marry. So they'd be instantaneously swapping HIH for HRH.
Without HIH or with HRH but still a princess.

With HIH -was in Russia; The descendants of Prince Dom Pedro Henrique bear the style Prince(ss) of Brazil, Prince(ss) of Orleans-Braganza with the style Imperial and Royal Highness, only if they descend from an equal marriage.;
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Old 07-12-2006, 04:41 PM
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Okay..maybe I am missing something...but what Beatrice are you guys talking about...or are you just throwing out a name (Beatrice). Not of course talking about his COUSIN, Princess Beatrice. Is there another one?

And here is a question...not sure if this has been asked on a previous thread....Could William marry Lady Gabriella...or are they too close in relations?
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Old 07-12-2006, 04:52 PM
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I think that they talk about this Beatrice Windsor/York. They're too close related.
Hypothetical William can marry Gabriella. For me they're too close cousins.
But Emperor Franz Joseph I married his mother's niece Elisabeth so Will could marry Gabriella. Well, it was in the 19th century and things like this happens.
But in present times close cousins rather doesn't married to each other. If it happens than rather between distant cousins.

Relationships between Wills and Ella:
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=0&color=&et=M
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Old 07-12-2006, 04:57 PM
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What if he marries Beatrice? Not only is she a princess but she's a Windsor princess. And if William marries Kate, who precedes who in the order of precedence?
I don´t think that Harry woud ever marry his first-cousin Beatrice...Just think the way how their children woud look like (just take a look at the Rosenborg family her in Denmark..their parrents was first coussins and just take a look at that my good)
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Old 07-12-2006, 05:13 PM
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The official order of precedence for female members of the royal family is based on line of succession to the throne, whether your husband's place or held in your own right. So, the closer you are to being Queen, the higher your precedence. It has nothing to do with your title or birth status.

So, Harry's wife would follow William's wife who would follow Camilla. Although their rank is derived from their marriages, Harry and William's wives would come before the princesses of the blood royal who are within the line of succession in their own right.

In general, the royal order of precedence is generally quite different and usually the princesses of the blood royal take precedence ahead of princesses by marriage, although usually the wife of the heir to the throne take precedence ahead of all other females other than The Queen or a Dowager Queen.
This is certaintly true, but unless there is a proclamation issued, like what the Queen did with Prince Philip. She declared that he would have precedence next to her, in theory had she not of done this, then Prince Charles would have precedence next to his mother.
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