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Old 03-05-2011, 02:26 PM
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I agree; it's more unusual and also, imo, more dignified.
It will be a better name when he's older, as well.

I don't know about other people, but I can never hear the name Harry without thinking of Harry Potter!
I believe Henry VIII was known as "Good King Harry" early in his reign so there's precedent for this nickname in the royal family
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Old 03-05-2011, 04:05 PM
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Henry is the tradition in the family, I suppose. I remember seeing a commentator on TV talking about Harry's name at the time and saying that there was a resurgence among upper class British people to give their sons traditional names like George and Harry. So with Henry known as Harry, they got a traditional Royal name plus a trendy one???


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If the BRF wanted to call him Harry, then why not just name him Harry? Why name him Henry at all?
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:46 PM
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The fact that the name John is considered unlucky in the British Royal Family is indeed true. It's not only because of Edward VII's son John, who died the day after birth, but also the youngest son of King George V, Prince John, who died of epilepsy at age 13.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:35 PM
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Hi,

"John" is also mainly in disuse in the Royal Family because of King John...
KJ has a bad reputation in history, although I think this perhaps is ill deserved!

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Old 03-15-2011, 12:29 PM
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Victoria was the Roman goddess of Victoria and (according to both my index of names books, and Wikipedia), appears in 17 Indo-European languages. Wikipedia's list of famous Victorias doesn't have any in Britain before Queen Victoria.

But, knowing the extensive knowledge of people on this board, perhaps someone knows of a British Victoria (as a non-royal name) before Queen Victoria?

There have been so many Victorias since the Queen, it's hard to imagine that the name was new to Britain when she was given it; but it could very well be the case.

Any experts on naming in the 18th century?
She was named for her mother, Mary Louise Victoria Princess of Sax-Coburg-Saalfeld, better known as the Princess Victoria
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:32 PM
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I believe Henry VIII was known as "Good King Harry" early in his reign so there's precedent for this nickname in the royal family
Actually he was usually referred to as Hal I believe.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:39 PM
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Let's get back on topic....we are not going to speculate on potential names for any children of William and Catherine or Harry.
Those posts have been moved to the Favourite British Royal Names thread.
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The practice of using Roman numerals to distinguish kings and queens started only after there had been several with the same name, and particularly when there was a succession of father, son, grandson like Edward I, Edward II, and Edward III. Before then it was common for chroniclers and historians to use sobriquets such as Edward the Elder, Edward the Martyr, Edward the Confessor, Edmund Ironside, Aethelred the Unready, Alfred the Great, Harold Harefoot etc before this became impractical.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:01 PM
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I have read several threads and haven't seen an explanation for why some kings take a different name upon coronation. Queen Victoria's son Bertie became Edward. David became Edward and Albert became George. I don't think that any of the queens changed their names, and not all of the males did either. Is it likely that Charles will change his name. Any explanation out there?
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:33 PM
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Most British Monarchs have used their first name as their Regnal name,though some have not always followed this trend.

Charles, Prince of Wales full name is Charles Philip Arthur George and its his prerogative to choose whatever name he wishes when or if he becomes King.

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Old 08-05-2012, 06:48 PM
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King Edward VII was christened Albert Edward. When he became king he said that he did not wish to diminish his father's name and that his father should "stand alone" in history - so he chose to use his 2nd name.

Edward VIII was christened Edward - I think David was his last name of many (he had about 6!).

George VI was chistened Albert Fredrick Arthur George - he said he chose George for "continuity" and given the problems over Edward VIII, that makes sense. In effect it would seem that the monarchy rolled seamlessly between Geroge V and George VI.

The royal family used to do lots of repeat names - particularly George and Edward. Being known in the family as something else would make it less confusing.

I think Charles will become Charles I
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:01 PM
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Actually, he'd be Charles III if he sticks with his first name as his regnal name.
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Even Queen Victoria's first name was not Victoria.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:15 PM
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The reason why they take different names to their birth names is down to personal preference.

The first monarch I can think of off hand who didn't use her birth name was Victoria - christened Alexandrina Victoria but reigned as Victoria - she was called Drina for the first half-dozen or so years of her life.

Albert Edward - as he was christened - was expected to reign using both names but decided that his father's name of Albert should stand alone and so used his second name.

George V and Edward VIII both reigned using their first Christian names - Edward VIII was called David privately but officially he was The Prince Edward and so reigned using his first name.

The Prince Albert - who became George VI - did so after the abdication to link his reign back to the security of his father's reign after the upheaval of the abdication.

The present Queen was asked, when told she was Queen, what name she would use and she said 'my own of course'.

With Charles there have been stories for years that he would reign as George VII as a tribute to his grandfather but he has not made any official comment on that - and we will simply have to wait and see what name he decides to use.

It is like the Popes who are also free to use a papal name rather than their Christian name.
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"The Prince Albert - who became George VI - did so after the coronation to link his reign back to the security of his father's reign after the upheaval of the abdication."

I think you meant he chose his regnal name after the abdication. He was already GVI before he went to Westminster to be crowned.
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There is no reason, no rule.
A Monarch can reign under any of his given names - or choose another name altogether.

For instance, Edward VIII's full name was Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David so he actually reigned under his first given name, although he could choose any of the others. Now, according to a legend, Queen Victoria asked her descendants to refrain from ever reigning under the name Albert, lest a King with the name outshines her beloved husband, Prince Albert. There has never been a king Christian, Andrew, Patrick or David in Britain, so really, there was a choice between Edward and George.

George VI reigned chose George so symbolise continuity; in essence, the brief reigned of his brother, Edward VIII, was swept under the carpet, and there was a nice continuation from George V to George VI. In addition, Albert was unacceptable for the reason mentioned above, and there had never been a King Frederick or Arthur (not counting the legendary King Arthur) either, so George was the only alternative.


Basically, it's a matter of personal choice and judgement of a given Monarch.
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"The Prince Albert - who became George VI - did so after the coronation to link his reign back to the security of his father's reign after the upheaval of the abdication."

I think you meant he chose his regnal name after the abdication. He was already GVI before he went to Westminster to be crowned.

Thanks for that pick up - I know I said abdication in my mind but still typed coronation.

He of cause chose George VI after his abdication and announced it at his Accession Council the day after the abdication.

I will amend by previous post accordingly.
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Now, according to a legend, Queen Victoria asked her descendants to refrain from ever reigning under the name Albert, lest a King with the name outshines her beloved husband, Prince Albert.
Interesting as I have always read and heard that she wanted her son to reign as King Albert Edward and he himself said as much at his accession council - that the expectation was that he would reign as King Albert Edward but that it was his decision to not use Albert as he believed that the name Albert should stand alone.

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There has never been a king Christian, Andrew, Patrick or David in Britain, so really, there was a choice between Edward and George.
Not really - he could have chosen any name. He wasn't restricted to his given names.
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don't think that any of the queens changed their names, and not all of the males did either.
Queen Victoria's first name was Alexandrina. Victoria was her second name.
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