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Old 07-07-2018, 11:12 AM
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Am i right in saying that Diana was still a member of the royal family after her divorce? Even though she was not a HRH you can still be a member of the royal family even if you are not royal?
It wrecks that the British do not make a difference in royal family and Royal House, like Spain or the Netherlands. The Infanta Doña Pilar (aunt of the King) is a member of the Spanish royal family, she is no member of the Casa Real. The Duke of Parma (cousin of the Dutch King) is a member of the Dutch royal family, he is no member of the Koninklijk Huis. Marius Borg, (eldest son of Norway's future Queen) is a member of the Norwegian royal family, not of the Norske Kongehus.

Likewise we could have said: the late Diana was a member of the royal family but not of the Royal Firm (by lack of an official name).

You do not need to be a HRH. Zara Phillips is as much a granddaughter of the Queen as Princess Beatrice.
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:11 PM
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I think I remember an announcement from BP at the time of the divorce that Diana (even minus her HRH) was regarded still as a member of the BRF. This was probably due to her status as mother to the second in line to the throne.
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:55 PM
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I don't think they regarded her as family, but she was still the mother of the 2 heirs ot the throne...
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Old 09-02-2018, 03:33 PM
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Please could someone with knowledge answer my my query which would be greatly appreciated. Also I was not sure which thread was most appropriate for this to be posted in but came to the conclusion that this was the most appropatiate. Apologies if this is posted in the wrong thread and please remove it if it is inappropriate and apologies in advance if my post seems in bad taste. My query is that I was wondering whether Sarah, Duchess of York will be entilled to a royal funeral and a burial at frogmore? The reason why I ask this is I am unsure what status that Sarah has within the royal family. I know she is not the mother of a future monarch but she is the mother of two royal princesses of the blood. Would it be a stretch to say that she may possibly be afforded a funeral service at St George’s Chapel with the presence of some royals and a burial at Frogmore.
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Old 09-02-2018, 03:37 PM
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I sincerely believe that Sarah, Duchess of York would *not* be afforded a royal funeral as she is no longer royal or a member of the royal family. She is considered to be a private citizen at this time.

However, it may be possible that she would be afforded a place of burial next to Andrew wherever that may be. I don't know the ins and outs of how these things are worked but it seems feasible that they may want to be buried next to each other.
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Old 09-02-2018, 04:41 PM
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Would the Duchess of Windsor’s funeral be something similar to what Sarah may have or did Wallis have a royal funeral?
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:02 PM
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I would assume that Sarah would have a private funeral, that would of course be attended by members of the RF and be organised with some involvement by the Royal Household (unofficially) and no doubt Andrew and Beatrice and Eugenie would be in charge of the arrangements. The Queen may permit it to take place in St George's as a private funeral or, betters till IMO The Royal Chapel of All Saints which is a small church in the grounds of Royal Lodge and more private.

I don't see how there would be any of the ceremonial such as military involvement etc as Sarah is not a member of the Royal Family. I think it would be a private funeral.
The NY Times account of Wallis Simpsons funeral is here
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/04/30/u...r-duchess.html

Four members of the royal family and seven members of her household staff from Paris, where she died last Thursday at 89, were present for the interment that finally achieved for the former King Edward VIII and the American divorcee he took as his wife their ambition to be together in a Britain that would honor them.

Even then, the honors paid by the reigning House of Windsor to the former Wallis Warfield Simpson were as muted as they could be.

In a dignified 28-minute private service in St. George's Chapel that was attended by 175 people...
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:06 PM
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The Duchess of Windsor's funeral service was held at St. George's Chapel at Windsor and was a private family service. However, I did find this tidbit and found it interesting.

"The Queen and other members of the royal family are expected to attend. A period of family mourning was announced from noon today until after the funeral on Tuesday, when flags on government buildings will fly at half mast."

and

"All she had been offered was the right to be buried at Frogmore."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...or-burial-1986
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:09 PM
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The aspect of flags flying at half mast for me sounded like Wallis was not be treated as a private individual but more as a member of the royal family as a private individual’s death would not result in flags flying at half mast.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:13 PM
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And Captain Mark Philipps will have an entirely private funeral.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:13 PM
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Many people, after reaching a certain age, make known what kind of funeral they want. If that applies to Sarah, then her funeral will go according to whatever plan Sarah established. If Sarah wanted the funeral service at St. George's, she will not be denied that. If she wants to be buried at Frogmore in the soace designated for the York family, I doubt if she will be denied that either.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:18 PM
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Well St George's Chapel is a Royal peculiar under the jurisdiction of the sovereign, given that will probably be Charles at the time, he could well "suggest" something more low key. I'm not saying he will but I don't think you can assume just because Sarah may want to means thats where her funeral will be.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:29 PM
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Sarah may live in to the reign of William as she is 11 years younger than Charles.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:35 PM
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Well St George's Chapel is a Royal peculiar under the jurisdiction of the sovereign, given that will probably be Charles at the time, he could well "suggest" something more low key. I'm not saying he will but I don't think you can assume just because Sarah may want to means thats where her funeral will be.
You're right but as I implied I am operating under the assumption that Sarah has planned her funeral. If that is the case then I am further assuming that the current monarch would grant her request and that this is not something that a future monarch would reverse.
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Old 09-02-2018, 06:23 PM
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Since Sarah is not married into the family and does not have HRH is she received at Buckingham Palace during the formal court process?. Does she have to curtsy to the other duchesses by marriage Kate, Meghan and Sophie because they have HRH?
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Old 09-02-2018, 06:29 PM
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Since Sarah is not married into the family and does not have HRH is she received at Buckingham Palace during the formal court process?. Does she have to curtsy to the other duchesses by marriage Kate, Meghan and Sophie because they have HRH?
She doesn't have to curtsy to anyone, it is entirely optional.

But as she is not a Royal Highness and Camilla, Kate, Meghan and Sophie are, in days gone by, yes, it would be expected that Sarah curtsy to them.
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:17 PM
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It wrecks that the British do not make a difference in royal family and Royal House, like Spain or the Netherlands. The Infanta Doña Pilar (aunt of the King) is a member of the Spanish royal family, she is no member of the Casa Real. The Duke of Parma (cousin of the Dutch King) is a member of the Dutch royal family, he is no member of the Koninklijk Huis. Marius Borg, (eldest son of Norway's future Queen) is a member of the Norwegian royal family, not of the Norske Kongehus.

Likewise we could have said: the late Diana was a member of the royal family but not of the Royal Firm (by lack of an official name).

You do not need to be a HRH. Zara Phillips is as much a granddaughter of the Queen as Princess Beatrice.
I agree that some kind of official distinction would help (you could argue that in the UK all royal highnesses are part of 'the royal house' and all other family members are just that: members of the royal family).

However, imo those who divorce a member of the house/family cease to be members of either category themselves.
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Old 09-03-2018, 02:30 AM
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Many people, after reaching a certain age, make known what kind of funeral they want. If that applies to Sarah, then her funeral will go according to whatever plan Sarah established. If Sarah wanted the funeral service at St. George's, she will not be denied that. If she wants to be buried at Frogmore in the soace designated for the York family, I doubt if she will be denied that either.
Why? Sarah is not favoured by the RF... she's nto a member of the RF, and I can't see why she would be treatd as a member of the RF, just because she "wanted it".
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Old 09-03-2018, 02:44 AM
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We'll most likely never know what Sarah wants or what Sarah might have planned until the occasion actually arises. For all we know, she could lean towards doing a full body donation to medical science and request no funeral at all.

We just don't know.
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Could Sarah have something like Lord Snowdon when he had a private funeral and then a memorial service attended by all the royals.
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