Lord Frederick Windsor: July 2003-

[Harry's polo shirt]

Originally Posted by Sean.~

Looks are subjective. For me, intellect, personality, charisma, etc. are all part and parcel of what makes a person attractive. Thus according to my criteria, they're all pretty mediocre with the exception of Her Majesty.

i know like with me I am not even attracted to someone until I get to know them_I am wierd that way. You said that you don't think Fredrick is the least attractive so you have to have an opinoin on it. I think Prince Andrew is an immature jerk...so I guess he is the least attractive Windsor.

[anaperfection]

Originally Posted by Sean.~

I think he looked alternative, and not necessarily "homosexual". A lot of 'straight' club-kids dress like that too. There isn't a particular gay look. IMO he is much better looking than a lot of the Windsors.

I agree with the bolded.

[Sean.~]

Originally Posted by Harry's polo shirt

i know like with me I am not even attracted to someone until I get to know them_I am wierd that way. You said that you don't think Fredrick is the least attractive so you have to have an opinoin on it. I think Prince Andrew is an immature jerk...so I guess he is the least attractive Windsor.

I don't think it's weird to have to get to know someone to find them attractive.
And, if I had to pick one I would pick Charles. He is, IMO, a very unattractive person due to his character.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Idriel

Tiarapin, though I don't deny she's really grand, half of the stories appearing on her in the press are invented, altered or totally nonobjective. As a matter of fact British press hates her, and when they hate someone...
To me, she would not make the top 5 of Royals who embarrass the monarchy (the "real" Windsor are actually the best at it, IMO).

While I do not deny the "real" Windsors are good at embarrassing themselves (Charles comes to mind), I still feel Princess Michael is a gold digger who married Prince Michael of Kent just to get an HRH. While Prince Michael doesn't have the money she would wish for, she got the HRH and that gives her pleasure to no end. She doesn't like anyone who is not of the elite class. She would never stoop to speak to an American commoner like myself unless it served her best interests.

[Sean.~]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

You are joking, right?? That woman is utterly too snobby and all her exploits have undoubtedly affected her children. As Her Majesty has been quoted as saying about her "She is much to grand for us."

Viscount Linley, when asked in the 80's about what gift he would give his worst enemy, he replied "Dinner with Princess Michael."

I was half-joking. And, as someone has been following her 'career' since the early days, I don't think she's half as bad as she is often made out to be. You are taking the Queen's remarks out of context. They weren't made in relation to anything Pushy did or said. Rather, they were made in response to Lord Mountbatten who was going on and on about Pushy's illustrious background in order to sell the marriage to the Queen. The exact quote was " She sounds much to grand for us".

With respect to Lord Linley, I think his comment (and it was lunch, not dinner, IIRC) was plain rude & highly inappropriate. There was animosity between the two families because of tiffs at Kensington Palace, IIRC. In any case, Prince Michael had a 'word' with him after the fact.

AFAIC, if he really wanted to punish someone he should have given them lunch with his chain-smoking, self-absorbed (not to mention cradle robbing) mother, "The Princess Margaret". At least Princess Michael is intelligent & educated, unlike most of the Windsors. Thus lunch with her would at least be stimulating and entertaining.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Sean.~

I was half-joking. And, as someone has been following her 'career' since the early days, I don't think she's half as bad as she is often made out to be. You are taking the Queen's remarks out of context. They weren't made in relation to anything Pushy did or said. Rather, they were made in response to Lord Mountbatten who was going on and on about Pushy's illustrious background in order to sell the marriage to the Queen.

With respect to Lord Linley, I think his comment (and it was lunch, not dinner, IIRC) was plain rude & highly inappropriate. There was animosity between the two families because of tiffs at Kensington Palace, IIRC. In any case, Prince Michael had a 'word' with him after the fact.

AFAIC, if he really wanted to punish someone he should have given them lunch with his chain-smoking, self-absorbed (not to mention cradle robbing) mother, "The Princess Margaret". At least Princess Michael is intelligent & educated, unlike most of the Windsors. Thus lunch with her would at least be stimulating and entertaining.

I agree Princess Margaret is not a shining example of royalty. She was a snob. She was spoiled. She did many immoral things (and people judge Diana to be worse than Margaret?).

However, Princess Michael is not a shining example either. I think Lord Linley's comment quite amusing. It is my belief that many in the family think the way he does.

[Sean.~]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

While I do not deny the "real" Windsors are good at embarrassing themselves (Charles comes to mind), I still feel Princess Michael is a gold digger who married Prince Michael of Kent just to get an HRH. While Prince Michael doesn't have the money she would wish for, she got the HRH and that gives her pleasure to no end. She doesn't like anyone who is not of the elite class. She would never stoop to speak to an American commoner like myself unless it served her best interests.

That's just not true. In fact, she has quite a few American commoner friends, and where do you get the idea that she doesn't like anyone who is not of the elite class? Is this your opinion or are you stating this as fact? If the latter can you back it up with substantive proof. I'm not coming down on you, I' m just inerested & curious to see why you've formed such an opinion.

As for her being a gold digger who married Michael for his money and title, I think this is an outlandish statement. Sorry. You, of course, are entitled to your opinion, but again I would ask for proof to support your statement. AFAIC, they have a very happy marriage, and as he told Linely, she's the woman he *loves*. *He* married her because he wanted to & had a family with her because he wanted to.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Sean.~

That's just not true. In fact, she has quite a few American commoner friends, and where on earth do you get the idea that she doesn't like anyone who is not of the elite class? Is this your opinion or are you stating this as fact? It sees to be the latter and, if so, please back-up your assertion with substantive proof.

And your assertion that she's a gold digger who married Michael for his money and title is outlandish to say the least, AFAIC. They have a very happy marriage, and as he told Linely, she's the woman he *loves*. *He* married her because he wanted to & had a family with her because he wanted to.

I should have been clearer--middle class and poor American Commoners. Uh, I believe all her American Commoner friends have the money to lend her to keep her in the style she wishes, and they get the credit for being friends with a royal.

I do not doubt Prince Michael's love for his wife. I think he is a good man. Princess Michael I do not like and YES it is my opinion.

[Sean.~]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

I should have been clearer--middle class and poor American Commoners. Uh, I believe all her American Commoner friends have the money to lend her to keep her in the style she wishes, and they get the credit for being friends with a royal.

I do not doubt Prince Michael's love for his wife. I think he is a good man. Princess Michael I do not like and YES it is my opinion.

Your fast at responding! ;-) I just edited my post, but I was too slow...hehehehe.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Sean.~

Your fast at responding! ;-) I just edited my post, but I was too slow...hehehehe.

I appreciate your edit Sean. There are certain things I feel truly strongly about. I will defend Diana to the end, that is one of them. Another is I do not think Princess Michael is a nice person at heart.

I don't doubt the good qualities of Prince Michael. Lady Gabriella also seems to have come out unscathed by her mother. It makes me wonder if Lord Frederick has had the problems he has had because of his mother. Even Her Majesty, it has to be admitted, was not a great mother. It is sad.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Harry's polo shirt: the pictures of him modeling NO OFFENSE looked like he is homosexual

No offense either, but what exactly does a homosexual look like? Should he be taking "how to look like a heterosexual" lessons perhaps?
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[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Warren

No offense either, but what exactly does a homosexual look like? Should he be taking "how to look like a heterosexual" lessons perhaps?
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Warren, you totally crack me up!!!:p :p

[Idriel]

Originally Posted by Warren

No offense either, but what exactly does a homosexual look like? Should he be taking "how to look like a heterosexual" lessons perhaps?
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Very funny! I suggest he talks to David Beckham . You know, the diamonds earring and rings, the nail polish and he bottle of gel on the head. Because no one would deny David is very straight, hum...?

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

I should have been clearer--middle class and poor American Commoners. Uh, I believe all her American Commoner friends have the money to lend her to keep her in the style she wishes, and they get the credit for being friends with a royal.

Excuse me but could you please give me an example of a poor American (or even British people) that Princess Diana (that I like very much BTW) holdfor a dear friend?
Diana's social set (like MC's one) was quite upper. It's just that they both tended to hang out with people who can understand and relate to their way of life. Now if you can find a Texan truck driver who can speak wonderfully of XVIIth century French literature, I'm sure the princess would be glad to make his acquaintance.
Also, people like James who had met her during her royal duties speak of a kind and gracious lady.

But I see you don't like her and I do so we won't agree on the subject. :)

[Harry's polo shirt]

Originally Posted by lashinka2002

OMG! Check these out from Bridgettes pages.


What was he thinking? Why would he pose like this?
In the first shot it looks like his romantic preference would be a man. Also looks like he's wearing tons of eyeliner. Second shot's not too bad, looks way better than the first.
Does anyone know of his girlfriend history?

Warren, this is what I was posting about...the way they made him look. I wasn't saying he is homosexual I am saying that it was the very first thing that came to my mind when I looked at the photos.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Idriel

Very funny! I suggest he talks to David Beckham . You know, the diamonds earring and rings, the nail polish and he bottle of gel on the head. Because no one would deny David is very straight, hum...?

Excuse me but could you please give me an example of a poor American (or even British people) that Princess Diana (that I like very much BTW) holdfor a dear friend?
Diana's social set (like MC's one) was quite upper. It's just that they both tended to hang out with people who can understand and relate to their way of life. Now if you can find a Texan truck driver who can speak wonderfully of XVIIth century French literature, I'm sure the princess would be glad to make his acquaintance.
Also, people like James who had met her during her royal duties speak of a kind and gracious lady.

But I see you don't like her and I do so we won't agree on the subject. :)

What about the servants she befriended in Buckingham palace during her engagement but was told by courtiers not to befriend the help?? What about the close friendship with Simone Simmons (although who has now betrayed her) who was not of the elite aristocracy?

[lashinka2002]

Originally Posted by Harry's polo shirt

i know like with me I am not even attracted to someone until I get to know them_I am wierd that way. You said that you don't think Fredrick is the least attractive so you have to have an opinoin on it. I think Prince Andrew is an immature jerk...so I guess he is the least attractive Windsor.

Same here, I need to know someone very well before a romantic relationship develops...Looks, to me are nothing!

[james]

I am glad we are finally having a sensible discussion abount Princess Michael.

In over twenty years of following the Royal Family I can't remember reading ANYTHING positive about this person. Indeed she has always come across more as a cartoon character than an actual human being.

In the popular press Princess Michael of Kent usually appears as someone who is almost a byword for evil. So far she has been said to be greedy; snobbish; racist; a Nazi; devoid of love for her husband other than his title; had affairs with billionaires; obsessed with making rich marraiges for her children and sacking a cancer sufferer. This isn't a person it is a caricature.

In any account given by her husband, children and friends (yes, she actually has quite a few) she comes across as a warm and adored lynchpin in a family of four who loves her spouse and offspring as much as they do her.

[grecka]

Well, that aside, the woman looks like she's in her 30s still. I hope my body's as gravity-defying as hers seems to be when I'm only enough to recieve social security.

[Idriel]

Here some pics I found in the Storm Model agency website (as Freddie is a member of this agency).
Sorry, the pics are really little.

Below is his z-card (his model ID card)


height:6' 1" / 185.42 cm
chest:40" / 101.6 cm
waist:32" / 81.28 cm
shoes:11
hair colour:Brown Dark
hair length:Short
eyes:Green

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Idriel

Here some pics I found in the Storm Model agency website (as Freddie is a member of this agency).

I am sorry, this guy looks really strange. His eyes I don't know how to describe it. They are so big and shocking blue!!
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