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Old 09-21-2013, 01:06 AM
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Regarding this, I agree more with Iluvbertie than with Ish. I believe George VI had no intention of making Margaret's children HRHs. If he really wanted, he would have included them in 1948 LP, or atleast made it clear to EII to carry out his wishes when time comes..
George VI honoured the LPs of his father and the traditional styling very much. Thats why he steadfastly refused to make Elizabeth Princess of Wales, even though many suggested it could help quell Welsh nationalism. He had very high regard for that title and wanted it to be reserved only for wife of the PoW..
And as for making Charles and Anne HRH, he dallied that too till the last moment (month), and since it would be a huge embarassment that 2nd in line is a 'mere' Lord, he gave in..
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:40 AM
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I think we must also remember that his own sister's children weren't HRH Prince/Princess so he would have created some issues between his only sister and himself if he had made ALL his grandchildren HRH while her children, also grandchildren of a monarch were only styled as the children of an Earl.

I don't think he would have made Margaret's children HRH at all and for that very reason - he respected the decision of his father over the difference between boys and girls in the family and only changed the LPs because he didn't want his grandchildren being styled as mere children of a Duke - and using the name Mountbatten to boot - his mother and wife weren't that keen on Louis so that would have been an issue as well.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:36 AM
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Oh, yeah. I'm not trying to say that he would have created Margaret's children HRHs, but rather that he didn't set out to not create them. The lack of HRHs among Margaret's children is because QEII chose not to issue LPs to create them as such, not because George VI decided otherwise.

The BRF is typically reactionary instead of proactive - even the 1937 LPs were as much reactionary to various circumstances at the time as proactively trying to address future situations. It's rare for a monarch to issue LPs to address a situation that isn't currently relevant. In 1948, the issue of Margaret having children (with or without titles) wasn't on the docket, therefore KGVI wasn't likely to issue LPs regarding them, regardless of his thoughts on the matter.

As for whether he would have issued such LPs had he been alive in 1960, I do agree that it would have been unlikely - as much because of the break from the 1937 LPs as because of who Margaret had become by that point. That said, he had the unique position of being one of the few, if not the only, British monarchs to only have had daughters. Unlike the majority of his predecessors the future of his line was through female descent so he may have wanted Margaret's children to carry on some of that line. I'm not saying that's what he thought, just that we don't know - and that we can't say that his not issuing broader LPs in 1948 means that he didn't intend on issuing LPs to cover Margaret's children when they came up.

It's just like... Last year the Queen issued LPs to cover all of the future children of Prince William. Her failure to not broaden the LPs to cover Harry's children doesn't mean that she doesn't intend to do so when Harry's married and his wife is pregnant (assuming she's still monarch then). Nor does her having done so for William's children mean that she will do do for Harry's in the future. We don't know what's going on in her head on the matter, just like we don't know what went on in GVI's head on the matter.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:13 AM
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The more immediate need was to deal with William's children since he is the married one and having kids in the queen's reign. Once the queen dies, it is a moot point because all of Charles's grandchildren becomes HRH due to William and Harry being boys. Also with the new law, if George was a girl, she would be lady name Mountbatten Windsor but be direct line for the throne without the queen's new LPs and if a boy came next he would be a Hrh but not heir since the George V LPs limits to the eldest son to the eldest son of the PoW.

In 1948, their were 4 young princes and a young princess from the King's brothers so there wasn't a lack of future HRHs . When Margaret got married in 1960, Tony turned done the peerage offered to him by the Queen but took it when she got pregnant with David.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:51 PM
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Am I the only one who recognises a vague similarity between Lord Freddie and Thomas Barrow from Downtown Abbey?
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:26 PM
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Maud is adorable and Sophie looks so sweet. I have never been a fan of her beauty, apparently pregnancy suits her!
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:37 AM
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I love this young family! I was worried about Freddie for a while when he was in his party boy years, without a proper job. I'm glad he seems to have founded a stable, loving family with Sophie.

The pictures of the family are beyond lovely; professional but personal, and so superior to George's pictures.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:56 PM
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Im also happy he had a happy ending. What a great way to shut down the naysayers: )
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:55 AM
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According to Majesty Magazine, baby Maud will be christened in the Chapel Royal at St James's Palace in November this year (2013):

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NB: angieuk has posted this in the thread about Prince George's christening, but I thought it would be better if it were posted in this thread as it's more on-topic here.
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:43 AM
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Good to hear that Maud's christening is approaching! She & little George could become good friends one day!
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Does anyoune have any info on Maud Windor's christening and the names of godparents?

I guess someone from Goldsmith family will be among godparents.
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Does anyoune have any info on Maud Windor's christening and the names of godparents?

I guess someone from Goldsmith family will be among godparents.
In this month's Magesty magazine Princess Michael says the christening will take place the day before the Queen's Christmas party at BP in the Chapel Royal so that should be in a couple of weeks time.
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In this month's Magesty magazine Princess Michael says the christening will take place the day before the Queen's Christmas party at BP in the Chapel Royal so that should be in a couple of weeks time.
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:05 PM
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Just found on Twitter

Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor's daughter, Maud, was christened at the Chapel Royal, St James's Palace this afternoon.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:17 PM
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Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor's daughter, Maud, was christened at the Chapel Royal, St James's Palace this afternoon. #royal
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:38 PM
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Maud wore the Royal Christening Robe, the hand-made replica of the Victorian Christening gown which was commissioned by The Queen in 2008.

This robe was first worn by Viscount Severn, son of the Earl and Countess of Wessex, and most recently by Prince George of Cambridge.
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Nice that she was christened in the same place as Prince George. The christening gown must look so lovely on the babies, but I imagine it "drowns" the wearer at times. Prince Harry was so small when he was christened in it, but when James was christened he looked huge in it!
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Old 12-16-2013, 03:18 PM
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Nice that she was christened in the same place as Prince George. The christening gown must look so lovely on the babies, but I imagine it "drowns" the wearer at times. Prince Harry was so small when he was christened in it, but when James was christened he looked huge in it!
I don't think James wore it, he was quite big when he was christened.
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