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Old 09-03-2013, 03:06 PM
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Yup..Those good old Alix's Danish eyes..
OMG I could finally trace one physical trait straight through five generations..
I noticed it too. Those marvelous eyes both George V and Tsar Nicholas had!
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Old 09-03-2013, 03:07 PM
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Frederick looks so much like his mum in that picture, the only difference is his eyes.
I fully agree with you. The resemblance is quite striking.
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Old 09-03-2013, 03:59 PM
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I love this picture - http://25.media.tumblr.com/ab7b460c7...anfro2_500.jpg
We've got so much more from these guys than from Catherine and William!
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:28 PM
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Gotta love Prince Michael with that pink shirt of his
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:39 PM
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I love this picture - http://25.media.tumblr.com/ab7b460c7...anfro2_500.jpg

We've got so much more from these guys than from Catherine and William!
Lovely, now that's how you present a baby to the world!

It's sweet how the grandparents wore pink with Prince Michael leaving that extra button undone.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:45 AM
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maud is a very adorable baby. i'm happy they shared some pictures of all the family. sophie looks very recovered and it seems like she has a great relationship with her in laws.

i wonder who made that beautiful dress maud is wearing. it is so sweet and summery!

i also very much like the names maud and elizabeth. less keen on daphne and marina, but i guess it was due to family ancestors, so i can't complain :)
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:22 AM
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When Prince Michael passes away, will Frederick become a prince? And why is he not a prince already? Prince Charles' sons are princes, why not Prince Michael's?
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:10 PM
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When Prince Michael passes away, will Frederick become a prince? And why is he not a prince already? Prince Charles' sons are princes, why not Prince Michael's?
Prince Charles sons are sons of the Heir and one of them are likely to become King.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:39 PM
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When Prince Michael passes away, will Frederick become a prince? And why is he not a prince already? Prince Charles' sons are princes, why not Prince Michael's?
Prince Michael is a male line grandchild of a monarch (George V). Freddy is neither a son nor a grandson of a monarch.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:32 PM
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The 1917 LPs of George V give the style of HRH Prince or Princess to:

The children of the monarch - Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward

The male line grandchildren of the monarch - William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, James (last two is debateable due to othe announcements and I am not going to debate it here), Richard, Edward, Alexandra and Michael.

The eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales - George (although QEII has amended this last clause to be ALL the childen of Prince William)

As things currently stand only William's children will be born as Prince/Princess in the current reign as Harry's children aren't covered for that styling under any existing LPs. Harry's children will be HRH once Charles becomes King, unless new LPs are issued to restrict it or he follows Edward's lead and says that they won't be so labelled.

Prince Michael's children, like Prince Richard (Duke of Gloucester) and Prince Edward (Duke of Kent) will not be HRH Prince or Princess at all of these children will be great-grandchildren of a monarch but not through the primary line.

Prince Michael, being the younger son of a son of a monarch, has children who are given the styling of the children of a Duke - again under the 1917 LPs. Fred's children will be simply Mr and Miss. This is NOT the normal situation for the children of the younger son of a Duke but special for the younger sons of royal Dukes.

Whereas the children of a princess go to Mr or Miss as grandchildren of the monarch but from princes it takes at least to great-grandchildren before that happens - further example of the sexism in the BRF.

The idea with the 1917 LPs are that there will always be a limited number of people who had HRH Prince/Princess.

Currently there are - 15 by birth, including Louise and James with only William and Harry in the younger generation able to have children with that styling and Harry only after his grandmother dies and his father becomes King. If Charles doesn't outlive his mother then Harry's children won't be Prince/Princess as they won't be the male line grandchildren of a monarch.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:56 PM
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Thanks for posting Dman, little Maud is adorable! All the photos are lovely, but I particularly like this one , very cute. I purchased last week's edition of Hello and there's a sweet photo of Freddie or Sophie's hand holding baby Maud's. I also agree with those who think Freddie looks like Princess Michael, I said that to my friend the first time we saw the photos.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:30 PM
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Iluvbertie, I guess they are satisfied with their sexism in the BRF. Probably really relieved that George was a boy so they don't have to hurry up and change the rules, but things are undependable in mortal life, and someone could suddenly go poof. William could die in an accident or of a rare plague, George the same. Harry's children might become higher in the succession unless Kate has another child. Harry could die unexpectedly, pushing Beatrice closer to the throne as a male-line descendant of the Queen. They should get their priorities straight, knowing that life brings the unexpected.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:56 PM
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Iluvbertie, I guess they are satisfied with their sexism in the BRF. Probably really relieved that George was a boy so they don't have to hurry up and change the rules, but things are undependable in mortal life, and someone could suddenly go poof. William could die in an accident or of a rare plague, George the same. Harry's children might become higher in the succession unless Kate has another child. Harry could die unexpectedly, pushing Beatrice closer to the throne as a male-line descendant of the Queen. They should get their priorities straight, knowing that life brings the unexpected.
I think you're putting words into the mouths of the BRF.

1. Since Mary I came to the throne women have been able to inherit, with increasingly less problems and less gender-related opposition. No one opposed HM as the monarch because of her gender, and no one is likely to oppose a future Queen regent either.

2. The implementation of the change to the succession to allow for equal primogeniture began before Catherine was pregnant. The reason why it's taking so long has nothing to do with George's birth (or prior to that the possibility that he might be a she) but rather because 16 realms have to change it. This is slow work.

3. Beatrice's place in the succession is not owing to her being a male line descendant of the monarch - just her title is. She's in the line of succession because she's a non-Catholic descendant of Sophie of Hanover, born in a legitimate line.

4. The BRF, possibly more so than some other monarchies, is well aware of the mortality of it's members. Since the death of George III, approximately 200 years ago, only 3 men who were born in the direct line have come to the throne. There have also been 5 people who were either younger siblings or women (or in the case of Victoria, a woman born to a younger sibling). The BRF does not require that it's heir be a titled individual, although the likelihood of a heir presumptive not being given one if non-previously existed is slim, and has a line of succession of some 4,000 people. I think they're prepared for the unexpected.
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:52 AM
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If we go back to 1948 - October to be exact - there was a female, 2nd in line to the throne about to give birth to the 3rd in line to the throne. It was then realised that without new LPs that child would be born either Lord or Lady xxxx Mountbatten and if a boy would be known as Earl of Merioneth as a subsidiary title of his father.

Did they allow this to happen? No they realised the situation and George VI issued new LPs giving HRH Prince/Princess styling to ALL children of the then Princess Elizabeth. Last December she did the same thing - to ensure that regardless of gender - that ALL William's children would have the same styling. Had George been a Georgina she would also have been a Princess because of the 2012 LPs.

In other words the BRF deals with situations that arise as well as having in place some permanent arrangements.
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Im Freddie found some happiness. I hope he doesn't encounter money issues like some of the other Kent s including his own parents
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:22 PM
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Does this thread cover princess Michael? One of my favorite topics
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If we go back to 1948 - October to be exact - there was a female, 2nd in line to the throne about to give birth to the 3rd in line to the throne.
Littttttttle mistake..That female was 1st in line, and the about-to born baby second..
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Littttttttle mistake..That female was 1st in line, and the about-to born baby second..
Thanks for pointing that out. That makes all the difference in the world
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Littttttttle mistake..That female was 1st in line, and the about-to born baby second..

OOOOOPPPPPPSSSSSSS - mistake in numbering of course but the intent was the same - to ensure that those in direct line would be HRH Prince/Princess but not the sideways lines. George VI could have given the HRH Prince/Princess to ALL his grandchildren but chose not to do so and limited it himself to his grandchildren from Elizabeth.
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OOOOOPPPPPPSSSSSSS - mistake in numbering of course but the intent was the same - to ensure that those in direct line would be HRH Prince/Princess but not the sideways lines. George VI could have given the HRH Prince/Princess to ALL his grandchildren but chose not to do so and limited it himself to his grandchildren from Elizabeth.
I wouldn't necessarily say that KGVI chose not to create all of his grandchildren as HRH Prince(sse)s. While his actions lead to only the direct line being such, in 1948 the then Princess Elizabeth was married and pregnant. Princess Margaret was neither married nor pregnant. For all we know, George could have had it in his mind that when she was married and pregnant he'd do up LPs for her as well and then died before that could happen. By the time Margaret did have children the world had changed and HM very likely had an idea as to how much her sister and her children would contribute to the BRF, and so chose not to issue any LPs, regardless of what her father's original intentions may (or may not) have been.
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