James Carnegie, 3rd Duke of Fife (1929- )

[betina]

I dont know if there is such a thread but can someone tell me if there still are dukes of Fife. Queen Victorias grandaughter married the duke of Fife, does anyone have photoes of her and her decendants?

[Warren]

Here the lineage...

King Edward VII > Princess Louise, Princess Royal (1867-1931) who marrried 1889 Alexander Duff, 6th Earl and 1st Duke of Fife (1849-1912).
They had two daughters:

• Lady Alexandra Duff (1891-1959), created HH Princess Alexandra by Edward VII. Succeeded her father as 2nd Duchess of Fife.

• Lady Maud Duff (1893-1945), created HH Princess Maud by Edward VII,
married Charles Carnegie, 11th Earl of Southesk (1893-1992);
their son:

James Carnegie, succeeded his aunt as 3rd Duke of Fife in 1959 (1929- )
married 1956 (divorced 1966) Hon Caroline Dewar;
their children:

• Lady Alexandra Carnegie (1959- )
married 2001 Mark Etherington (1952- )
their daughter: Amelia Etherington (2001- )

• David Carnegie, Earl of Southesk (1961- ) (styled Earl of Macduff until his paternal grandfather's death in 1992)
married 1987 Caroline Bunting (1961- )
their children:

• Charles Carnegie, Lord Carnegie (1989- )
• Hon George Carnegie (1991- )
• Hon Hugh Carnegie (1993- )

[Beck]

I think Lady Alexandra is godmother to Lady Louise Windsor, so I am guessing the family is still pretty close with the Royal Family

[betina]

Does anyone have pictures of the recent and old family?

[MOLEY]

His Grace James 3rd duke of fife was born in 1929 and is the only child of princess maud and earl of southesk. is dicorced from hon. caroline dewar and has two children.
Earl of macduff ( southesk also) and is married with I think 3 sons and his sister lady alexandra etherington is married with 1 or 2 children and wore the fabulous fife tiara at her wedding to mark .( a daughter is called amelia), and she is god-mother to lady louise windsor

The duke is often at royal events such as the bremar games in scotland and trooping the colour and golden wedding/coronation celebrations (he is rather rotund with almost white hair and now uses a walking stick).

[Thomas Parkman]

Does anybody have a photo of anybody in the family wearing that fabulous tiara. It is out of this world. I have seen pictures of it but no pictures of anybody wearing it since the original duchess wore it at some wedding or other a century ago. Pictures of diamonds back then just stank. they could not caputure the beauty and magic of them and so we have only a pale reflection. It is one of my favorite tiaras. Anybody who woould post such a picture would contribute greatly to my happiness. Cheers Thomas Parkman

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Thomas Parkman

Does anybody have a photo of anybody in the family wearing that fabulous tiara. It is out of this world. I have seen pictures of it but no pictures of anybody wearing it since the original duchess wore it at some wedding or other a century ago. Pictures of diamonds back then just stank. they could not caputure the beauty and magic of them and so we have only a pale reflection. It is one of my favorite tiaras. Anybody who woould post such a picture would contribute greatly to my happiness. Cheers Thomas Parkman

Lady Alexandra wore it at her wedding to Mark Etherington. I have the Hello! article in in one of my folders, so will have to search. What's it worth to you Thomas?

In the meantime, here's the best pic of it you will ever see...
Note that the (very) large diamonds in the central band are suspended and thus sway with each movement of the wearer's head.
Besides the size of the diamonds, this tiara is notable for its very fine and delicate detail, which I guess is why it is some people's favourite.
The spikes along the top row have very sharp points indeed. This tiara would have to be handled with care. :)
Courtesy Geoffrey Munn from 'Tiaras: A History of Splendour'.

The Fife Tiara

[Thomas Parkman]

Dear Warren,

You would rob me of my poverty. This photo-which I have seen before-and the note of a picture existing of somebody wearing it in the past few years has aroused my tiara lust big time. It is indeed just about my most favorite tiara and is hidden away most of the time in some obscure bank vault. Horrors!!! The thing is a superb, indeed sublime bauble. It is beyond beautiful, beyond maginificent So I suppose, since dealing with one of these hard nosed business types-you Aussies are a tough lot-I should just be direct and ask just what is your price?

Pleading mercy would be like trying to plead with the New Jersey Cosa Nostra. Their reply, and yours no doubt, is friendship is friendship and all fine well and good but business is business. However they do provide, if needed an excellent free shoe fitting service-for concrete shoes that is.

That said I do not doubt that you files and files of fabulous goodies and lovingly go through all of them on a regular basis. Sharp, like this tiara. Reminds me of the time when the Duke of Kent-I think-went into his wife's dressing room to advise his wife on what to wear etc. and sat down. On Her Tiara!!!! His most royal posterior was impaled with diamonds. No doubt the nobility of England died with laughter!!!!

So dear Warren, if ever the milk of human kindness flows in your veins and you have these appalling fits of good will and generosity be quick, be kind, go grab that picture and POST IT so I can sit before a computer screen and drool in bliss and happiness. Cheers. Thomas Parkman

[Elspeth]

There's certainly a photo of Lady Alexandra wearing the tiara in existence because it was posted at one of the royal jewels sites before the site was shut down. Let's hope Warren manages to find his copy.

[betina]

yes its really amazing

[CasiraghiTrio]

OMG, the Spencer tiara was my favorite tiara until now, this very moment. I have just seen the Fife tiara for the first time, and this is without question my new favorite. It is beyond amazing. It takes one's breath away. It is beyond words or any kind of expression, how amazing it is. I've never seen any tiara or any piece of jewelry like it. Is it part of the Duchy of Fife estate and, therefore, "owned" by the Duke? Is Alexandra Carnegie the only person of recent times to wear it?

[Lady Marmalade]

No, the wife of the present Earl of Southesk, the former Caroline Bunting, wore it to her wedding.

[Warren]

I've found the Hello! story on the wedding of Lady Alexandra Carnegie to Mark Etherington, dated 29 May 2001.

I'm afraid it's very disappointing. There are two pics of the bride, one with her obscured behind the driver of her wedding car, and a larger shot in poor lighting where the tiara is a bit out of focus and largely lost in the bridal veil. It is recognisable as the Fife Tiara because of the raised diamonds and spikes along the top row and the vague lozenge shape of the very large suspended diamonds.

Apologies for getting hopes up, but it's not worth scanning as the quality of the pic is too poor.

Among the guests at the wedding were the Earl and Countess of Wessex, Koo Stark, and Tiggy Pettifer (better known to us as Tiggy Legge-Bourke). The wedding took place at St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge, and the reception was held at St James's Palace.

Sorry Thomas. :(


A google search on Caroline Bunting, the Countess of Southesk, brought up this pic from her wedding in 1987: http://imgs.sapo.pt/genealogia/pessoas/pes_165826.jpg

[Thomas Parkman]

Dear Warren,

We really MUST do better than this!!! One lousy picture of the poorest quality to reveal such a sublime masterpiece. You could find loads of incredibly accurate pictures for junk on the head of some of these brainless not so beauties but a picture of this masterpiece? I know. I must not be bitter. I must be strong. Sigh.

Why don't you up and write a groveling letter imploring whomever to put on her finest gown and that tiara and jewels and have her picture taken and sign it and send it to you. It would cause such happiness. But the happiness of the peasants is the last thing on earth these British aristocrats think about. "Oh how very vulgar. Really. Low indeed, My God what is the world coming to" and all the rest of it. I can hear it now. Maybe someday somebody will have a divorce and then decide to get remarried. Cheers. Thomas Parkman

[Zonk]

It is an absolutely beautiful tiara! Pity it is not seen so much.

[jm83au]

is the current DOF considered a member of teh royal family or just aristocracy or nobility? is he royalty?

[Elspeth]

No, the Duke of Fife isn't considered a member of the royal family.

[Roslyn]

I hadn't seen this thread before, but I'm glad I have now. That tiara is quite breathtaking! Thanks for posting the pic, Warren. I shudder to think of the value of all those huge diamonds.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by jm83au

is the current DOF considered a member of teh royal family or just aristocracy or nobility? is he royalty?

As a great-great grandson of Edward VII, The Duke is an extended member of the royal family and within the line of succession. However, the great-grandsons of the Sovereign lose the qualification of Royal Highness and become descendants of the blood royal, but are no longer royal themselves.

The same thing will happen when the current Dukes of Gloucester and Kent die and their sons (great-grandsons of George V) succeed to their dukedoms.

[momrha]

Mark and Alexandra are friends and neighbours of mine and recently we've had a lot of interest from 'visitors' asking which house they live in - I am not quite sure why people need to know and I am certainly not going to tell anyone! How do people home in I just don't know.
I have been reading with interest all the comments!
Yes they do have a lovely daughter who's a real sweetheart.

David
Baron of xxxxx