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Old 07-03-2013, 04:37 AM
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It has been suggested by one of Edward's biographers that George and Mary had been told that Edward my be sterile because of orchitis caused by mumps. I'm inclined to think that at some point during puberty, for whatever reason, his physical, emotional and mental development became retarded, perhaps explaining why he was given to speaking without weighing up the consequences his words would have. Despite Edward vii's friendship with Jews, most of the aristocracy were anti and would probably have applauded what Hitler was doing, albeit, covertly, something Edward vii never learned the meaning of. We have him, as an adult, displaying supreme ignorance at a dinner party by asking fellow guests if they'd ever heard of the "Bronts." We have his letters in which the standard never reaches higher that that of a twelve year old. I think he'd long been seen as being a loose cannon and reasons had long been sought to ease him from a throne which he'd probably never wanted to sit on and Wallis served everybody's purpose.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:50 AM
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In bio written in 1970s, there is no mention of him being pro-Hitler.

Isn't this more of the movie's slant? And now everyone repeating it.

He was impressed with Germany's manufacturing. He met the leader of the nation. I don't think he supported Hitler as much as he was impressed with being seen with a leader after being sidelined.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:05 AM
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Edwards cause is not helped by the views he expressed after abdication. Even after visiting Hitler and even during WWII while serving as Governor in the Bahamas he did not condemn Hitler or the Nazis. He did not seem to learn the lessons of history. His abdication was the best thing that could have happened to the Windsors and the UK. As someone once said we should have erected statues to Wallis Warfield Spencer Simpson and thanked her for taking him away.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:18 AM
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Edward didn't appear to change his mind that early...
At what point did he publicly appear to become anti-Nazi? Was there an event or a comment? Or is it assumed? I'm asking because I have never heard about that.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:24 AM
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I think it would still be the present Queen. She'd only be celebrating her 41st year on the throne, however, since 'Uncle David' didn't pass on until 1972, 20 years after brother Albert(King George VI).
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I think it would still be the present Queen. She'd only be celebrating her 41st year on the throne, however, since 'Uncle David' didn't pass on until 1972, 20 years after brother Albert(King George VI).
I was thinking, Who to say that Queen Elizabeth would not have came to the throne earlier (but after 1952) or later? Yes She would still be Queen today, the War took a toll on George VI (like George V) who was also a heavy smoker and that had to do partly with why he died young (56), Edward VIII didn't have to deal with the stress of the war and lived into his late 70s (His father died at age 70). Edward did smoke also (but I don't think like his Father and Grandfather). If Edward VII had to deal with the stress of the war, his Brother would not have had to deal with the burden would have able to live more quietly with his family and he probably would have lived longer, Edward VIII may have died younger then he lived like his brother and George VI may have lived linger then he actually did with the stress of the war and smoking. He would have became King much later and Elizabeth would have have been able to enjoy family life more quietly and be more on hands, She may not have became Queen until After Edward had turned 18 that is if Her father had lived to the same age as his mother Mary.

Obviously it hard to say, She would have still became Queen but it may have been later then 1972 if Edward VIII had stayed on the throne. But there also the possibility that he marries someone else Nd has kids.but we are assuming he says single and hS no heirs.
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A recent autobiography from last year of DofW's King George VI also dealt with his trials of dealing with the DofW. The book mentioned that Edward had indeed had a bad reaction to his illness as a youth which may have emotionally stunted him. I thought the book was very well written and sourced. Wasn't dry reading, in fact I found it absolutely fascinating how the life stories of the two brothers were so intertwined.

The DoW was a spoiled little boy who never grew up. He bedeviled his brother and deeply resented him all his life. He spent his time in exile finding new ways to embarrass his King and his Country.
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A recent autobiography from last year of DofW's King George VI also dealt with his trials of dealing with the DofW. The book mentioned that Edward had indeed had a bad reaction to his illness as a youth which may have emotionally stunted him. I thought the book was very well written and sourced. Wasn't dry reading, in fact I found it absolutely fascinating how the life stories of the two brothers were so intertwined.

The DoW was a spoiled little boy who never grew up. He bedeviled his brother and deeply resented him all his life. He spent his time in exile finding new ways to embarrass his King and his Country.
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The way I've always understood the DoW was that he was a lot like Edward VII, Albert Victor, or even the younger sons of George III when they were growing up. Immature, irresponsible, and hard to pin down but with the potential for something - we saw the "something" mature in Edward VII when he became king, and in ways in George III's sons when they entered into the race for the heir. Albert Victor died before having that chance, while the DoW was influenced away from achieving that.

George VI, on the other hand, and his father as well, both seemed to more follow the more mature example of Albert.
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