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Old 05-15-2016, 04:26 PM
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Victoria's parents always called her Victoria, and it was her preferred name, no surprise she chose to use it. Victoria was no more a British name, coming to the Uk through her German mother. Alexandrine in fairness had more British routes, at least in Scotland.
That's true, She was called Vickie or Vickelchen.. or pet names. I dont beleive she was ever called Alexandrina...or Drina.

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In what year did Queen Victoria request that Prince George of York rename himself Albert?
I've never heard of this. And I think that (if i recall correclty) QV wanted Bertie to be known as King Albert Edward and he did not like the idea of a double name.. and that he chose Edward as a traditional English name. I think that he probably was not that fond of using his father's name as his regnal name.. albeit he spoke respectfuly of him in public.

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But that didn't happen and it is only supposition. The date of death for all of them is fact.



Three were four sons. Edward VIII who died in 1972. Albert died in 1952, John died 1919 and Henry died in 1974. Assuming that Edward did not marry Wallis and had no children, upon his death in 1972, Henry would have succeeded until his death two years later. His son Richard born in 1944 would be King today. Unfortunately, Elizabeth would not have reigned.
No, if Albert Duke of York had died before his brother Ed VIII, (assuming Ed was still the king and he did not have chldren) the succession would have passed to Alberts elder Daughter Princess Elizabeth,not to the Duke of Gloucester
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:41 PM
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If Prince Albert, Duke of York, had outlived Edward VIII and reigned as George VI, do you think the Peter Townsend/Princess Margaret incident would have occurred?
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Old 05-15-2016, 11:09 PM
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Victoria didn't chose to reign as Victoria because Alexandrina was not English. Neither name was in fact, and that was intentional. Her Uncle the regent refused to allow the baby to have any traditional British royal names, vetoing any of the ones common in their family. He was the one who chose Alexandrine for her, in honor of her godfather Tsar Alexander. Victoria's parents always called her Victoria, and it was her preferred name, no surprise she chose to use it. Victoria was no more a British name, coming to the Uk through her German mother. Alexandrine in fairness had more British routes, at least in Scotland.
As a very young child Victoria was known as Drina, and later it changed to Victoria, a name she far preferred.

Both were outlandish names for a British princess, Victoria probably more so.

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That's true, She was called Vickie or Vickelchen.. or pet names. I dont beleive she was ever called Alexandrina...or Drina.
You're thinking of Victoria's daughter, also named Victoria - she was Vicky or Vickelchen.
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Old 05-15-2016, 11:13 PM
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Despite QEQM allegedly believing that Bertie would have lived longer if he wasn't King, with his unhealthy lifestyle I don't see him outlasting David.

That would be like saying, "If only Margaret were Queen she would have outlived Elizabeth!" Kind of silly when you consider Margaret's unhealthy lifestyle.

Now for the second part. They said that Bertie could refuse Margaret nothing. So I imagine he would have wanted her to be happy. I don't think he was all that domineering when it came to his family's choices. For example, when Earl Harewood wanted to marry, Bertie deferred the approval to Queen Mary, as she made those decisions in the family, and when she initially said no, apparently Bertie was afraid to ask her again, even though he felt sympathy for his nephew. So unless he deferred to QEQM over the Townsend issue, I think he would have said "yes".

But if David hadn't abdicated that would also change the Townsend picture. David might not have used Townsend as a equerry and therefore the couple would have never met. Or David would have been more lenient to the idea of falling in love with a divorcee and therefore would have given Margaret his approval without hassle. Allegedly he wanted his sister Mary to marry for love and was angry that she had to settle.
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Old 05-15-2016, 11:24 PM
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As a very young child Victoria was known as Drina, and later it changed to Victoria, a name she far preferred.

Both were outlandish names for a British princess, Victoria probably more so.
And that is exactly how her Uncle intended it. The Regent was an angry man who resented his brother's new child. He refused to allow any of the traditional British royal names to be chosen. When the priest asked for a name, he was the one to choose Alexandrina, in honor of her godfather.


I agree Victoria would have been the more outlandish. Alexandrina, as a feminine form of Alexander, at least has a connection to Scotland. Victoria was totally German.
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Old 05-15-2016, 11:44 PM
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Who's to say that the Allies win WWII if David is on the throne? Townsend could have died in the war. George VI and Queen Elizabeth went to the US prior to the war and forged a relationship with FDR. Without that trip, maybe no Lend Lease program and Britain gets wiped out along with France during the early stages of the war. The US sinks into their isolationism. Japan doesn't attack Pearl Harbor and the US doesn't join the fighting at all.


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Old 05-20-2016, 09:08 PM
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Elizabeth would have become Queen and potentially her father a King, if Edward never had any children. Simple.
Any LEGITIMATE children...
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Old 05-21-2016, 11:03 AM
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The line of succession to King George V was quite clear, when he died in 1936:

1 - HRH The Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII)
2 - HRH The Duke of York (later King George VI)
3 - HRH Princess Elizabeth of York (later Queen Elizabeth II)
4 - HRH Princess Margaret of York
5 - HRH The Duke of Gloucester
6 - HRH The Duke of Kent
7 - HRH Prince Edward of Kent

Queen Elizabeth II would not have been Queen had she a younger brother, or had her uncle Edward VIII remained King and got offspring in that legal marriage.
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Wasn't the Duke of Kent of those days named George, Duc? I know the present Duke, George's son Edward, has seemingly been around for ever, but it hasn't been quite that long!
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Old 05-21-2016, 11:19 AM
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Wasn't the Duke of Kent of those days named George, Duc? I know the present Duke, George's son Edward, has seemingly been around for ever, but it hasn't been quite that long!
I think The Duke of Kent is George, and Prince Edward is the present Duke who was born in 1935.

This may help;

Prince Albert, Duke of York (b. 1895), brother of the king
Princess Elizabeth of York (b. 1926), elder daughter of the Duke of York
Princess Margaret of York (b. 1930), younger daughter of the Duke of York
Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1900), brother of the king
Prince George, Duke of Kent (b. 1902), brother of the king
Prince Edward of Kent (b. 1935), son of the Duke of Kent
Unborn child of the Duke of Kent (the Duchess was eight months pregnant at the time of Edward's abdication)
Princess Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood (b. 1897), sister of the king
Viscount Lascelles (b. 1923), elder son of the Princess Royal
Gerald Lascelles (b. 1924), younger son of the Princess Royal
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The Queen and the Duke of Kent are the only still living British royals born in the Reign of their grandfather King George V. Princess Alexandra just "missed" the unique position of being born in the Reign of her uncle King Edward VIII: she was born in two weeks after the Abdication. So indeed, both Prince George, Duke of Kent as well his son Prince Edward, the current Duke, were in the line of succession during the lifetime of King George V. In fact also Princess Alexandra was in that line of auccession - still unborn at the time.
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Old 05-21-2016, 06:58 PM
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The Queen and the Duke of Kent are the only still living British royals born in the Reign of their grandfather King George V. Princess Alexandra just "missed" the unique position of being born in the Reign of her uncle King Edward VIII: she was born in two weeks after the Abdication. So indeed, both Prince George, Duke of Kent as well his son Prince Edward, the current Duke, were in the line of succession during the lifetime of King George V. In fact also Princess Alexandra was in that line of auccession - still unborn at the time.
Alexandra was not in the line of succession in the reign of George V. He died in January 1936 and she was born 11 months later - 25th December - so she wasn't on the way when her grandfather died.
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