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Old 10-04-2016, 05:13 PM
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Lady Colin Campbell's claims that Elizabeth was the driver of the wedge between David and King George VI because Elizabeth allegedly wanted to marry David notwithstanding, I've always believed that the issues between David/Wallis and Bertie/Elizabeth were most inflamed by David's flat out lying about his financial situation during the abdication.
First, David refused to put his destiny and duty to the commonwealth before his personal desires thrusting Bertie/Elizabeth into unwanted roles and jeopardizing the institution of the royal family.
Second, David flat out lied about how much money he had accumulated as Duke of Cornwall in order to wrangle a financial settlement from Bertie. I think when Bertie discovered this his opinion of his cherished older brother was forever tarnished.
Third, even after the abdication David continued to be a problem, he wanted to continue to be the focus of attention thereby interfering w/ Bertie's ability to establish his own reign. Indeed I believe that in Monkton's renegotiation of the financial settlement after David's lies came to light one of the provisos was that the Windsors could not visit Britain w/out permission.
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Old 10-04-2016, 05:29 PM
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Lady Colin Campbell is pretty low on the believability scale of royal biographers.


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Old 10-04-2016, 05:55 PM
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But... but... but she has such reliable sources and names them. "a courtier high up in the palace" and "a source close to the royal family" and quite a few others. I read one book by her and gave up.
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Old 10-04-2016, 07:57 PM
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Yes, she was pretty bad. If she was the one on the program that looked like an old drag queen. Lol
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Old 10-04-2016, 08:36 PM
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If Lady Colin said the sky was blue I'd have to go outside to check, that's how I feel about her I believe she was the one who came up with some ridiculous theory about the Queen Mother's birth and why she was nicknamed 'Cookie' by the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

Lady Colin's own life has been a very unusual one with some unconventional elements. She's appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity, Get me out of Here' so that says it all really!
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:06 PM
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In 1936 King Edward VIII did not invite the Archbishop of Canterbury to Balmoral. Previously the Archbishop had been a regular visitor. Elizabeth, the Duchess of York stepped into the breach and invited the Archbishop to stay at Birkhall, the Yorks' house on the Balmoral estate.
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That was because Edward didn't like the Archbishop, Cosmo Lang, who was in his mind, too far aligned with the Establishment and the old brigade of courtiers that had clustered round his parents. Edward, who wasn't very religious, regarded him as unctuous and oily. (There is a great deal of evidence that the Archbishop wasn't too keen on Edward either and didn't want him on the throne with or without a Queen Wallis.)

He had been a regular guest at Balmoral and Sandringham in the old King's reign and it was certainly rude of Edward to behave in that way. I don't think he cared, though! His brother and sister in law were much more conventional and kind hearted!
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Old 10-14-2016, 10:31 PM
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Did Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon view James Stewart as a very serious suitor for her hand in marriage?
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Yes, I think they were in love with each other, and perhaps both thought that, in the fullness of time it might end in marriage. However, James Stuart didn't really have any money on which to marry, and he accepted a job in the US in the oil industry. He left for the US in 1922, leaving the way clear for Prince Bertie to try and capture Elizabeth's heart.

I don't believe Stuart's later claim though that Queen Mary had actively interfered in his romance with Lady Elizabeth, by getting him out of the country, via an oil job offered by one of her and the King's friends. Mary, like the present Queen, did little intervening in her grown children's lives. If she had been like Queen Victoria there would have been no Wallis Simpson, as Edward would have been married off to someone suitable in his early twenties! Yes, she was interested in the progress of the romance and probably hoped that Elizabeth would marry her son, but that was as far as it went, imo.
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:54 PM
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Queen Elizabeth visited the Vatican in 1959.
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Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother opened the Franco-Scottish Exhibition.
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Hi,

I'm looking for someone who knows a lot about the Queen Mother, especially her day to day routines. I know somethings about her and Clarence house but I need more information for a series of paintings I am working on. Most of my questions now regard dining. My first painting I am working on is of Lady Diana and the Queen Mother at breakfast on February 25, 1981. The day after the engagement was announced. I have looked through some books I own on royal dining but I haven't found all the answers I need.

To start with

Where would the Queen Mother eat breakfast at Clarence House? I know she liked the french habit of eating in different rooms but I can't find where breakfast would be set up.

For someone who knows her patterns well what do you imagine she wore to an everyday breakfast in the early 80s?

What would she eat for breakfast? I know she liked orange juice.

Does anyone know about her everyday china or even flatware?

Would flowers be on the table? I know they wouldn't be at BP.

Any answers or additional information would be very helpful. I believe I have all of the books on Clarence house that exist after 1950, but I don't have any besides the Clarence House one on the QM.

You can let me know in this thread or PM me.

Thanks so much to whomever can help!
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Old 01-19-2017, 04:17 PM
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One residence that was beloved by the Queen Mum was her own private retreat. The Castle of Mey in Scotland. She found it not too long after George VI passed away and bought it, renovated it and refurbished it and every inch of it was to the Queen Mum's liking including the wonderful gardens there and the animals. This is a good website that will tell you lots more.

The Castle of Mey | The Queen Mother's Home in Caithness

I've just finished reading a biography of the Queen and in several passages, it mentions a certain breakfast dish that QEQM loved and served especially at the Castle of Mey. The dish is called Oerfs Drumkilbo and I actually found a recipe for it.

Eggs Drumkilbo recipe | Epicurious.com

Hope this helps a bit.
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Thank you so much for responding, but I'm looking for information about breakfast/dining at Clarence House specifically. Can anyone help?
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Here is an article about her every day routine including mention of breakfast
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/...ther.monarchy1
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It would be quite unusual to find a photo of a Queen actually eating. There is a book by her longtime aide William Tallon, "Backstairs Billy", which has lengthy and entertaining anecdotes about the Queen Mum. It's possible that breakfast might be discussed- cocktail hour certainly was.
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:26 PM
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Thank you. I don't need a picture of her eating so much as information. Thanks for what you have provided.
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:28 PM
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Here is an article about her every day routine including mention of breakfast
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/...ther.monarchy1
Just reading the article you posted. It was very helpful! Thank you!
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Hi,

I'm looking for someone who knows a lot about the Queen Mother, especially her day to day routines. I know somethings about her and Clarence house but I need more information for a series of paintings I am working on. Most of my questions now regard dining. My first painting I am working on is of Lady Diana and the Queen Mother at breakfast on February 25, 1981. The day after the engagement was announced. I have looked through some books I own on royal dining but I haven't found all the answers I need.

To start with

Where would the Queen Mother eat breakfast at Clarence House? I know she liked the french habit of eating in different rooms but I can't find where breakfast would be set up.

For someone who knows her patterns well what do you imagine she wore to an everyday breakfast in the early 80s?

What would she eat for breakfast? I know she liked orange juice.

Does anyone know about her everyday china or even flatware?

Would flowers be on the table? I know they wouldn't be at BP.

Any answers or additional information would be very helpful. I believe I have all of the books on Clarence house that exist after 1950, but I don't have any besides the Clarence House one on the QM.

You can let me know in this thread or PM me.

Thanks so much to whomever can help!


Here is a section from the late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother's obituary in the Guardian which might help.

Whatever time she got to bed, a curtseying maid would tap on her bedroom door at 7.30 the following morning. The maid would enter carrying a tray with a bone-china teacup, pink roses and a copy of the Racing Post, and place it next to her bed. After an early-morning bath the Queen Mother would walk to the breakfast room, where she would sit down to a plate of fruit, toast and a free-range boiled Buff Orpington egg.

Link to the original article. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/...ther.monarchy1


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Here is a section from the late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother's obituary in the Guardian which might help.

Whatever time she got to bed, a curtseying maid would tap on her bedroom door at 7.30 the following morning. The maid would enter carrying a tray with a bone-china teacup, pink roses and a copy of the Racing Post, and place it next to her bed. After an early-morning bath the Queen Mother would walk to the breakfast room, where she would sit down to a plate of fruit, toast and a free-range boiled Buff Orpington egg.

Link to the original article. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/...ther.monarchy1


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