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Old 02-14-2014, 08:49 PM
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So, Queen Camilla will automatically become eligible to be a Counsellor of State but that doesn't means she will ever be one. I think got it.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:51 PM
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^ Seriously? Camilla is the same as Eleanore of Aquitane and Queen Charlotte in appropriateness in this situation? Just because Charles has the ability to make C one, doesnt really make it historically appropriate. In every one of the past situations, the lady in question has been a first degree blood relative. I dont believe a woman completely unrelated has ever been made one. But please correct me if I am operating under a misapprehention :-)
Counsellors of State have only existed since 1911 and from 1911 to 1937 they weren't royal at all but senior politicians.

In 1937 the law was changed to specify who the CoS's would be - and that means that Camilla, as the wife of the monarch (assuming both she and Charles outlive The Queen) will meet one of the qualifications - being the wife of the monarch and thus the next of kin of the monarch.

Charlotte served as Regent for her living husband because she was his wife - the same relationship to George II that Camilla will have to Charles.

Eleanor served in her relationship as mother but there was no wife to serve anyway.
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:13 PM
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Bertie, am I correct in believing that the reason why the DoE has never served as CoS is because he's always travelled with HM when a CoS is required? As such, while he's eligible for being a CoS, he's never met the requirement of being in Britain when a CoS was required.
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Ish - that is correct. CoS's are appointed when HM travels overseas and every time she has gone overseas Philip has accompanied her and thus has never actually been appointed despite his eligibility. If HM is only going for up to three days no CoS is appointed but if she will be gone for longer than that they are appointed - two or the five eligible are appointed and they carry out all the duties of the monarch including chairing council meetings, being briefed by the PM and other ministers and actually signing legislation.
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:55 PM
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^ Seriously? Camilla is the same as Eleanore of Aquitane and Queen Charlotte in appropriateness in this situation? Just because Charles has the ability to make C one, doesnt really make it historically appropriate. In every one of the past situations, the lady in question has been a first degree blood relative. I dont believe a woman completely unrelated has ever been made one. But please correct me if I am operating under a misapprehention :-)
To be honest, I really don't see Camilla even wanting to be a CoS and I would really be surprised if she was named one by Charles.

And as mentioned in previous posts, most likely if Charles will be away for more than 5 days and the CoS are needed, most likely Camilla will be traveling with him.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:46 AM
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With Camilla not liking airplanes, it is not a guarantee that she would always go with him.

I would think that if the Queen had to pick a CoS, it would be Charles and William if available just to get them use to the state paperwork that will have to do later on. But it doesn't seem that any of the Queen's trips will be long enough to need CoS this year.
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Old 02-15-2014, 05:15 PM
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Iluvbertie, Thank you for mentioning that Counsellors of State were appointed at the monarch's discretion during the reign of George V as needed.
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Glamis in Angus was turned into a convalescent home for wounded soldiers and the then Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon would write letters for injured soldiers and run errands from the local shops for them.
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King Manuel II of Portugal and Queen Mother Elizabeth?
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King Manuel II of Portugal and Queen Mother Elizabeth?
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Was Elizabeth the Duchess of York when this photo of her was taken?
In what year would she have seen Manuel II?
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Was Elizabeth the Duchess of York when this photo of her was taken?
In what year would she have seen Manuel II?

King Manuel lived in the UK 1910-1932 and was a close friend of the BRF so they would've had a lot of opportunities to meet.


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I know a bit about The Queen Mother, and she could be very difficult to deal with.
She wasn't the kind and lovable lady everybody thought she was, but she did do something good. She supported The King during the war, and gave life to our beloved Queen who has so many good qualities.
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Wasn't she known to be rather racist? Something she and Margaret had in common I'm told.
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Old 10-04-2014, 09:43 PM
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A woman in The Queen Mother's position after Edward VIII's abdication would have to have been a very, very strong lady. I think that she was the right person for what life handed her. She was gracious and sympathetic in public and George VI's rock and anchor in private. Considering the role that she played during the early years of being Queen Consort--helping her husband establish his kingship, and supporting him and being an inspiration for women during the war--I think that she couldn't have done better.
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Wasn't she known to be rather racist? Something she and Margaret had in common I'm told.
Yes! She was a lot of things. I will not say too much about this. My mother is British and this is stuff I've heard from family members who have worked for the royal family.

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A woman in The Queen Mother's position after Edward VIII's abdication would have to have been a very, very strong lady. I think that she was the right person for what life handed her. She was gracious and sympathetic in public and George VI's rock and anchor in private. Considering the role that she played during the early years of being Queen Consort--helping her husband establish his kingship, and supporting him and being an inspiration for women during the war--I think that she couldn't have done better.
I agree, she was The King's rock and anchor.
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Yep, she's been dead long enough for the muck-rakers to start the deconstruction of a true icon.

She was racist, cruel (even to her children), she was ambitious and vile to Wallis Simpson because she hated her, not because of the abdication, but because she wanted David for herself and married Bertie as a consolation prize . . . oh I forgot, she was also the illiegitimate daughter of the Bowes Lyons cook according to Lady Colin Campbell, or Welsh maid working in Scotland, according to Kitty Kelly. (It's always nice to know the origin of some of these pearls of wisdom)

Now if any of the above, which is unfortunately just the tip of the iceberg, were to be backed up by credible witness or record, I would be interested in the dichotomy that marked the nature of Elizabeth Bowes Lyon. Now Lady Colin Campbell thought that Cecillia Glamis, broken hearted over her inability to provide a ninth or tenth child, sent hubby off to the cook. Or, if you believe Kitty Kelly, the Welsh maid.

Hello, even way back then eight children were more than enough to cover the heir and spare.
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