HM Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother (1900-2002)

[EmpressRouge]

There was some previous discussion about the Duke and Duchess of York (George VI & the Queen Mum) having a major presence at the wedding of Princess Olga of Greece to Prince Paul of Yugoslavia due to Paul and Elizabeth's acquaintance at Oxford. Found the proof, or at least a confirmation from Paul's grandson, Prince Dimitri
Front: Weddings Playlist - Video Library - The New York Times

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by EmpressRouge

There was some previous discussion about the Duke and Duchess of York (George VI & the Queen Mum) having a major presence at the wedding of Princess Olga of Greece to Prince Paul of Yugoslavia due to Paul and Elizabeth's acquaintance at Oxford. Found the proof, or at least a confirmation from Paul's grandson, Prince Dimitri
Front: Weddings Playlist - Video Library - The New York Times

What a delightful video, thanks for posting it. Shawcross's book on the Queen Mother sets out her friendship with Paul. Queen Elizabeth did not attend Oxford but met Prince Paul who went to school with Queen Elizabeth's brother, they became friends, and Queen Elizabeth's brother introduced Prince Paul to her.

[Katrianna]

What a fascinating video, thank you for sharing.

[IloveCP]

Here is a not so nice article about her shortly after her death.I have know idea if its true.

Queen Mother: The nation's best granny?|6Apr02|Socialist Worker

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by IloveCP

Here is a not so nice article about her shortly after her death.I have know idea if its true.

Queen Mother: The nation's best granny?|6Apr02|Socialist Worker

The article is harsh but after having read the Shawcross biography, there is some "truth" in the article but those facts have been terribly distorted. For example, she and the King did support Chamberlain's attempts at appeasement, but this was to avoid another world war. The QM lived through World War I, lost a brother to the war, and helped her family care for convalescents at Glamis Castle. She knew firsthand how destructive war is and thus supported any attempt to avoid the bloodshed.

She did like her drink but who among us does not? It hardly makes her a lush. And she did support the old system, such as the white minority governments, but I think it was more from a sentimental remembrance of things past and not to oppress the black majority.

QM did not want to move from Buckingham Palace and prolonged the move for as long as possible but it was not out of a desire to displace her daughter from the world stage. It was more of a desire to remain in familiar surroundings rather than move to Clarence House which she disliked. She had many happy memories of her time with the King and was terribly lost after his death.

[cmkrcwi]

The fact that it comes from a paper called "The Socialist Worker" ought to clue you in that it isn't going to be an unbiased account.

That doesn't mean the entire article is lies, but that they are going to put it in such a way as to make her look as bad as possible.

[Bundtrock]

I have always absolutely ADORED, RESPECTED AND ADMIRED Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother! I think she is my FAVORITE ROYAL OF ALL TIME!

She married the second son, fully expecting to live a quiet Royal life (as quiet as possible that is,) she was thrust into the role of Queen unexpectedly, her husband had a speech impediment which she moved heaven and earth to help with (LOVED, LOVED "THE KING'S SPEECH,) she then had a second World War to contend with, she then lost her husband with a full half of her life to live as a widow.

She was exemplary in her conduct, character, her devotion to her nation and people through out her entire life!

The British people and the nations of the Commonwealth were truly blessed to have her, in my opinion.

[IloveCP]

In suprised that Olav V proposed to her.She would have become Queen of Norway and Britian.But Im glad she did'nt.

[Vasillisos Markos]

When did Olaf propose? I was not aware of this and if I read that in the Shawcross biography, it has completely slipped my mind.

[roseroyal]

Originally Posted by IloveCP

In suprised that Olav V proposed to her.She would have become Queen of Norway and Britian.But Im glad she did'nt.

How could she hve become Queen of both countries?

[Zonk]

I believe it was rumour that Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother would marry King Olav as they were both widowed. I believe BP issued a denial.

I imagine her title would have been Queen Elizabeth of Norway as she was the Queen Mother and not the actual Queen.

Oh the possiblities of trying to figure out what to call her.

[roseroyal]

Thanks Zonk! I never thought but of course, now it makes sense.... she coul have remarried!

[IloveCP]

I read that Olav propsed to her in 100 things you never knew about her.

Here's the link

How The Queen Mother Touched Our Lives: 100 Things You Never Knew - page 2 | Sunday Mirror Newspaper

At number 97.

@Roseroyal,I did'nt mean at the same time.I meant she could have become queen of Britain and Norway in her lifetime.

[Zonk]

But how could she be Queen of the UK if she was no longer married to the King who was deceased and no longer regined. She received her Queenship as a result of her late husband who was King.

Now if Queen Elizabeth II had married a King..than she might have been Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and Norway...or Queen of the UK and Queen Consort of Norway.

Again......the possiblities!

[Duchessmary]

#100 is a crack up!

[roseroyal]

Originally Posted by Duchessmary

#100 is a crack up!

Oh it sure is! So is # 93!

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by Zonk

But how could she be Queen of the UK if she was no longer married to the King who was deceased and no longer regined. She received her Queenship as a result of her late husband who was King.

Now if Queen Elizabeth II had married a King..than she might have been Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and Norway...or Queen of the UK and Queen Consort of Norway.

Again......the possiblities!

But my dear Zonk, Wasn't Eleanor of Acquitaine Queen of France and Queen of England, but not at the same time? I think the poster meant to write that the Queen Mum was Queen Consort of England while her husband lived, was still considered a queen after his death, and could have become Queen of Norway if she married that country's king. In Eleanor's case, she was no longer considered Queen of France after the divorce, which severed her legal tie to her husband. I think she would rightly be considered the ex-Queen of France.

But the Queen Mother would still be considered a queen, even after George VI's death.

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by IloveCP

I read that Olav propsed to her in 100 things you never knew about her.

My dear IloveCP,
Thank you for the response. I guess this fact, if true, did not merit mention in Shawcross's book on the Queen Mother.

[Zonk]

Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos

But my dear Zonk, Wasn't Eleanor of Acquitaine Queen of France and Queen of England, but not at the same time? I think the poster meant to write that the Queen Mum was Queen Consort of England while her husband lived, was still considered a queen after his death, and could have become Queen of Norway if she married that country's king. In Eleanor's case, she was no longer considered Queen of France after the divorce, which severed her legal tie to her husband. I think she would rightly be considered the ex-Queen of France.

But the Queen Mother would still be considered a queen, even after George VI's death.

I suppose that she could be Queen Elizabeth of Norway the former Queen Mother (Dowager) of the UK. But really, one would assume that you would take your current husbands title and like most women, lose their decased husband name and/or title when they remarry.

Hence Raine, Countess Spencer became Raine someone else when she remarried and only took back her former name when she divorced and requested it.

[Renata4711]

Many thanks for the "Queen Mum" Litany - I shall treasure them.