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Old 03-26-2011, 09:07 PM
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:53 PM
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So I'm reading The Windsor Style by Suzy Menkes right now. I've had it on my shelf fo years, and have always gleamed through it catching quotes here and there (it's a lovely coffee table book full of great photographs) but have never actually read it.

The book was published just a year or two after the DoW died, and Menkes is a fashion insider, so one would think it would be a total fluff project. But it's not. I'm realizing reading it why I like the Windsors--despite their enormous flaws. Menkes makes no bones about the fact that they were racist and extremely shallow, but that they were loyal to their friends (a very few, but they existed and were valued by D&W) and the royal family (it mentions that no matter where they were, they would listen to QEII annual speech on the radio).

It does strike me that for all the jet set glamour they surrounded themselves with, they lived very sad lives. Wallis, at least. And I don't believe she even realized it: a woman so insecure she refused to see her husband without make-up and coiffed hair when dining alone or staying up in her room when the moon landing was happening because she was afraid she's looked ridiculous without her hair up, or staying inside a ship cabin all 5 days of the voyage so her hair would stay in place. No to mention, her obsession with being pin-thin.

The book also alludes to David growing lonely at the years go by: how late in life, he no longer wanted to be the all-night partyer, how he felt undercut by Wallis's wit and relationship with Jimmy Donahue.

That said, I do love their dedication to beauty and entertaining. Even though they weren't deep, intellectual people (per Menke's sources), they did care about making their acquaintances happy. And they did very obviously care about fashion and jewelry as art forms. If they had lived a century or two earlier, I think they would be more acknowledged within history for those cultural contributions rather than just remembered for the abdication and toxic personalities.

(Just for clarification: I have read other biographies on D&W.)
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:15 PM
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although there weren't many details, here's the story in a nutshell:

A lady from Ontario, Canada, that passed away several years ago, claims that she was married to the Duke of Windsor for a brief period. She also claims to have given birth to a child that he fathered during the marriage. The child was taken away and she never heard anything about it again and the marriage "disappeared". She always told people that she couldn't talk about it but after her death everything would be revealed. The night she died, her home was broken into and ALL of her personal papers were stolen and never found. Family members say that they have seen pictures of her with the Duke and that they also remember seeing correspondence from Buckingham Palace. The timing would be right as the Duke had a ranch in Canada at the time. None of this has ever been proven...or disproven.
I have lived in Ontario for most of my life and I have heard this story circulating again and again....Wish we knew more
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Old 03-31-2011, 09:27 AM
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So I'm reading The Windsor Style by Suzy Menkes right now...
Wonderful insights, Cordelia. I must find a copy of that book and peruse it some day. When I read your observations about Wallis refusing to see the Duke without her makeup or refusing to join others for fear that her hair would get "mussed" I had to laugh because my sister, starting in her late teens, would not even go out to retrieve the newspaper without first doing her hair and powdering her face. I chalked that up to teenage insecurities about her looks. After a while, this too ended and although she takes pride in her appearance, I have no doubt that she now slaps on a pair of sunglasses and wears a head covering when she shops in the early morning.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:34 PM
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If you can get it, it's totally worth it. Lots of wonderful pictures of their homes, fashions, and jewelry. Also, it has recipe index and information on the jewelry auction. Unfortunately, it's out of print, so you'll have find a used book site to get a copy--and it's pricey too. (I got my copy from ebay and had to bid up to $80--and it was a tight bidding war. That was 10 years ago, so I can imagine what it would cost now.)

Reading about Wallis's insecurities actually makes her more relatable. One would think being on the Best Dressed list for 40 years would make her less self-conscious and more self-confident, but it appears that she remained weary of her body and face (3 face lifts!!!) her entire life. I do think she was vain, but her vanity came from NOT feeling beautiful rather than because she thought she was the It Girl.

That said, I'm glad Menkes doesn't gloss over Wallis's cruel side. Whatever it stemmed from, she should have learned to outgrow it or tone it down, but it seems liek she prided herself on being...vulgar and thoughtless. Her priorities were all wrong. Or at least, too focused on herself and her inner circle of moneyed folks. (Then again, Oscar Wilde mocked Emile Zola 'we don't to read books about dreary people and their dreary lives' so maybe it's a common thread among aesthetes? It wasn't until after Wilde was jailed for homosexuality and witnessed a hanging, that he suddenly realized that maybe it's having a social conscience isn't something 'dreary' after all.)
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Old 04-02-2011, 06:54 AM
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I must agree with Cordelia's sentiments about the Book and the Windsors!

I too purchased it within the last year or so on either ebay or half.com. I would encourage anyone to periodically look at the site...I can't remember exactly what I paid for it...I don't think it was 80 bucks...sometimes you have to take a chance and others aren't thinking the same as you...you can sneak in there and get it fairly low.

Anyway back to the book..... Its bloody fantastic! I particularly love the pictures of the Mill in Paris....the wild flowers are lovely.
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Old 04-18-2011, 04:38 AM
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It seems that a move may be afoot, according to the television this morning, to do a rethink on the Duchess of Windsors' reputation. One of the given reasons was the ten years since the QMs death. There is also a new book and Madonna's film to look forward to. D of W fans, watch this space!!!
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Whats everyone think of him? I Personally think hed be a terrible King
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:50 AM
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Yes, I agree. A constitutional monarch has to put his nation's needs before his own, and I think that Edward VIII would have found that very hard to do.

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Old 06-03-2011, 03:27 AM
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He was not king material sorry to say but he was prince material.
Being head of state is not an easy task Edward understand that
and abdicated .
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Old 06-03-2011, 04:59 AM
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I think he would have been a bad KIng. In fact I think that he did not really wanted to be a King, so he puts his personnal interests on among. At this time a Prince raised to be a correct King would never do that he did. But I think it was better that he abdicated, instead of being a bad King.
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Was Wallis ever infertile?I wonder why she never had kids.
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Was Wallis ever infertile?I wonder why she never had kids.
I've read somewhere that she became infertile because of unsuccessful abortion made in early youth,as she had no kids in any of her marriages.
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How accurate is the rumor that the Duke and Duchess had a masachistic relationship? I find it interesting that the Duke's biographer Philip Ziegler speculates about it in his book (end of chapter "Mrs. Simpson") and in a documentary on the Queen ("Ten Days that Made the Queen"). I almost don't want to believe it. The thought of her abusing a man who used to be the King of England!!
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I've read somewhere that she became infertile because of unsuccessful abortion made in early youth,as she had no kids in any of her marriages.
If you read back through the posts made in this thread, there's also been reports that Wallis may have had AIS.

Second Type Woman - Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome

Read back through the threads... its interesting.
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:37 AM
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It seems that a move may be afoot, according to the television this morning, to do a rethink on the Duchess of Windsors' reputation. One of the given reasons was the ten years since the QMs death. There is also a new book and Madonna's film to look forward to. D of W fans, watch this space!!!
I fail to see how the 10 year anniversary of the death of the Queen Mother has anything to do with the Duchess of Windsor's reputation.

If, as you seem to be implying, the general thinking is that Wallis's reputation was purely as a result of the Queen Mother's deep and personal antipathy, I suggest that someone has a lot of historical reading to catch up on.


Madonna can spin history however she likes but she can't change the facts.
  • Wallis was still married to her second husband whilst having an affair with the Prince of Wales and, if the FBI is to be believed, another man as well. Let's face it, in 1932 that was pretty racy stuff.
  • Her pro-fascist politics which she so generously shared with the Prince of Wales, culminating in their ill advised visit to Berlin in 1937 with it's successful meeting with Hitler sealing, as it did, their position in the eyes of the British political and social establishment as Nazi sympathisers and possible spies.
  • Encouraging David to ignore his duty and party on because, well hell, he was the King, coupled with her inappropriate behaviour as "Consort" prior to the abdication
  • His mother, Queen Mary, and his brother and sister-in-law's continued total rejection of both David and Wallis in the years after the abdication, largely as a result of their continued dilettante lifestyle, which during and immediately after the war ensured they became both social and political pariahs.
  • Wallis and Davids intense feelings of entitlement which included a flirtation with treason in denying Elizabeth the throne. Revealed: the Duke and Duchess of Windsor’s secret plot to deny the Queen the throne - Telegraph
  • The fact that David "cleaned out" the Duchy of Cornwall and then sold it back to his brother.
I am sure that the powers that be as well as the British Royal Family were aware of this and it coloured their future relationship with the Windsors.

But, to imply that Wallis bad reputation could be laid solely at the feet of the Queen Mother is both naive and ignorant.

The deeply personal animus toward the Duchess of York whom she saw as a hopelessly frumpy and boring housewife and her bad luck to be caught belittling her publically by doing an unkind imitation of her upon the occasion of their first meeting certainly set the stage for sisterly-in-law antipaty.
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pgm 1952, Edward found it impossible to function without the direction of a strong, dominant woman-Wallis fulfilled that role and whilst it may be distasteful to contemplate her public censures and reprimands, represented her deep love for him. She is, perhaps, worthy of his country's undying gratitude!!!
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More like the entire Commonwealth!
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Very interesting, Madonna may have bought a piece of the story...

Aestheticus Rex: Madonna Wears the Duchess of Windsor's Cartier Bracelet?

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He fell in love with a divorced women, that makes him highly unsuitable? IMO, no. It made him seem unsuitable in the minds of the royals, politician and possible people, at the time. He would have made a very suitable King, and presumably ruled his country very well and through the war, if he had not been forced to abdicate due to a misguided heart. If Edward had ruled, this topic may not exist.

Love did not make that man highly unsuitable, opinions forced him to be looked upon as unsuitable.

William will, unless (touch wood) something happens, will be King. There is no test he can take, no one really he has to prove himself to, no jury to decide the decision on suitability. He is of royal blood.
I highlighted the points you made that are incorrect. You are right to say that the direct reason Edward VIII was forced to abdicate was because of his relationship to Wallis, but to honestly think that Britain would have been led well by a Nazi sympathizer when Britain was at war with Nazi Germany, is simply wrong.
Britain was saved from a monarch who would have led his country into the lion's den thankfully by a simple misguided heart.
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