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Old 08-05-2009, 06:47 PM
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Honestly, I think the abdication was a clarification for a lot of people (those familiar with the Duke of Windsor's personality....i.e. those who worked for the British government and his family) that David was not the right person to be King.

As previously mentioned, David was extremely popular as Prince of Wales. It was a highly romanticized, dashing Prince who toured the world and the slums and stated that "something must be done." But the fact remains is when the chips where down, he bailed. Yes, the media and time were not fair to David or Wallis but as previously mentioned to Queen Mary, duty was everything. Her devotion to duty affected the relationship she had with her childern. She simply couldn't not understand why to David, it wasn't the same. From her mindset, what I get is this...people have died (British soldiers had died in World War I and were soon to be heavily hit in World War II, to be to make sure that all of Britian was free, for God, King and Country) and all you need to do is give up this woman (when so many have given up their lives) and you can't do that? I am sure she couldn't understand it.

Looking back, in 2009 I am sure many of us simiply don't get it. But 1936 was a very very different time. Heck...in regards to the crowning of George VI there was some concerns that people would be LISTENING TO THE RADIO IN PUBS AND WOULDN"T TAKE OFF THEIR HATS! That's the kind of world 1936 was.

IMO David was just plain spoiled. Yes, its wrong that you can't marry the woman you love. Yes, everyone is being TOTALLY mean to you...if you love her why shouldn't you honor your love with an official confirmation in church letting everyone know this. If he was David Jones, he could have done this but he wasn't. And yes it was wrong that your wife was denied the HRH title but AGAIN its 1936...she had already had two husbands and was on her third. The British establishment had never seen anything like Wallis before.....for all they know she could have married David, been divorced in three years and you got a divorced Duchess running around Europe that you can't control with jewelery that had belong to the Royal Family for years! I am sure to many he simply lost his mind!

You can't come to the party and eat the food (by enjoying the wealth and priviliges of being royal) and when they want you to pay (by doing your duty and providing a heir) you can't complain that you don't like the rules.
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Old 08-05-2009, 08:08 PM
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The British establishment had never seen anything like Wallis before.....
But they had, Zonk, there were lots of American heiresses in Europe and England marrying poor nobility only to get divorced and the title to go run around Europe partying. . .
It think that's what they were afraid of: It all came home to roost in the guise of Wallis.
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Old 08-05-2009, 08:10 PM
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True...but lets agree that's different to have random ex British nobility running around Europe than an ex Princess of Wales, or ex Queen of England, Empress of India. '

George V dies in December of 36, and Edward VIII is talking about marrying her right away before his coronation.....Wallis had a lot of negatives 1) two living ex husbands 2) she's an American and 3) she is not young...married twice and no kids?! It was a recipe for disaster.
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Old 08-05-2009, 08:21 PM
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It is different which is why they flipped out. (The Establishment) With good reason.
Though she was a hell of a hostess. I have a Fannie Farmer cookbook which is what she went from for all her parties, per her bio. "The Heart has it's reasons."

Wouldn't that be funny if somebody made up a movie called Wallis and Wendy? And they cooked their way through Fannie Farmer and attributed saving their pickle of a life to Wallis??
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Old 08-05-2009, 08:50 PM
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True...but lets agree that's different to have random ex British nobility running around Europe than an ex Princess of Wales, or ex Queen of England, Empress of India. '

George V dies in December of 36, and Edward VIII is talking about marrying her right away before his coronation.....Wallis had a lot of negatives 1) two living ex husbands 2) she's an American and 3) she is not young...married twice and no kids?! It was a recipe for disaster.

George V actually died in January 1936 and Edward reigned from January until December 1936.

During that year he did some of the duties associated with the King but increasingly was causing concern to the government because of his attitude.

The British press were keeping quiet about his relationship with Mrs Simpson so the British public didn't really know about it until the press broke its silence rather late in the piece - after a lot of the decisions had been made (the government realised the need to get rid of him, the king has sought the PMs advice on marriage, the divorce hearings were undersay etc).

By the time the general public were informed the decision was already virtually made.

Of course there were a lot of people who did know what was going on but the general public didn't.

His choice of wife was a godsend to the government as it was an excuse to get rid of an unsatisfactory king that the public would accept rather then cause a major constitutional crisis that could very easily have seen Britain become a republic in 1936.

This is my view of events based on research, study at uni, personal letters sent by family members in Britain to my grandmother and her family here from the early 1920s onwards about him and a personal opinion.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:04 PM
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Thanks for the correction of the dates!

Yes, Wallis for all intents and purposes was a godsend. World history would be SO different today if he had been allowed to marry Wallis.
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Old 08-06-2009, 12:25 AM
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He was allowed to marry her.
He wasn't allowed to marry her AND keep the throne - thank goodness.

I have nothing against her as a spouse or even as a Queen Consort but I do thank God that He sent her so that the British government could get rid of a totally unsiutable king. (In earlier times the powers that be have simply murdered the king but by 1936 that wasn't seen as the best way to do things - but then again maybe that is what would have happened with no Wallis).
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:43 PM
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Whilst waiting for approval on my registration to go through, I read through all the pages of this lively discussion.

I don't remember how or when I first found about David and Wallis, but I've been fascinated by them for years. I have no idea I enjoy them so much, but I do. I will agree with those who say they were all fluff and no substance, but my! What fluff they are! The clothes, the jewelry, the homes! Even the thought of living in that luxury makes me drool with envy.

I don't own that many books on these two, but the two I own I love dearly: The Windsor Style by Suzy Menkes. I used to get it out from the library all time before I finally realized it was time to find a copy on ebay. I paid dearly for it, but it was worth every cent. The other is Legendary Brides by Letitia Baldridge which features a section on D&W's wedding.

To summarize my opinions of the various discussions: Whether or not their love lasted, I do admire the loyalty they had for one another. I do think they each appreciated each other. I think the exile was unfair. In the early years, it's understandable why the RF wouldn't want them in England, but by the 1960s, David and Wallis should have been allowed back. Keeping exiled their entire lives was just way too harsh of the RF.

I don't think Wallis is the devil incarnate. Flawed? Yes. Could she have had more substance? Yes, but I imagine if I was getting the treatment she got, I'd probably go the freebies and haughty way too.

Unrelated to the discussions: I just love looking at photographs of them in the 1930s and 1940s. They look so youthful and chic! At the risk of sounding extremely shallow, I think David looks quite swoonworthy in those checked suits he wore! Without a doubt, they were the Best Dressed People ever!
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Old 09-18-2009, 09:37 AM
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And excuse me, but it isn't that easy for me to accomplish my thoughts in a language which isn't my first language. Maybe for that I shouldn't say anything here about this issue...
If this is English as a Second Language, I can only hang my head it shame. You express yourself exceptionally well and are a very welcome addition to this forum.
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I know, that all aren't really serious arguments and I don't want to argue. know, Edward VIII. is a red rag for most people, most monarchists. I only have a slightly different view on him. I wouldn't say, that he was not a bit foolish. Yes, he wasn't a prime example, was eccentric and maybe many more things but I think, he did a few good things also.
I quite agree, we don't want to argue but we on these threads seem to enjoy robust debate, so don't be shy, your opinions are as good as anyone elses, and are more reasoned than a lot.
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:14 PM
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Exclamation Bessie Wallis Family

Yes, there were people who had multiple marriages after their coronation. What I read somewhere is that the Prime Minister at the time was not a huge supporter of Edward or Bessie. Also there was something about the two being secret sympathizers of the Nazi party. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has any information on Bessie Wallis family history. Turns out I am a relative and would like to see if there are anymore connections to royalty through her.
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:09 PM
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As far as I know Wallis Simpson did some family researchings herself, had french ancestry, but no royal connections.
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:42 PM
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Lady Meg, here's a website for you. Wapedia - Wiki: Wallis, Duchess of Windsor. This source claims that Wallis is related to Barak Obama and Harry S. Truman, as well as actor Robert Duvall. Don't know how reliable this is, but it's a start.
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... but I do thank God that He sent her so that the British government could get rid of a totally unsiutable king. (In earlier times the powers that be have simply murdered the king but by 1936 that wasn't seen as the best way to do things - but then again maybe that is what would have happened with no Wallis).
Amen to that. They individually, were unsuitable to rule anything more than a cocktail party, together they were a frivolous disaster. He did good, what good did he do?
The only good thing I can think of that he did was run off with an unsuitable woman and leave England to battle to survive a brutal war.

With this marrying the woman he loved donīt forget that when he was introducing her as his future Queen (not wife) she was still married and that Mr Simpson was still tagging on to some parties etc.
If it hadnīt been for the too good to be true "Buttercup Somebody" the divorce wouldnīt have gone through, and it almost didnīt because someone filed a complaint that disappeared very quickly.
He was so unsuitable that there was a collective sigh of relief among the people who really knew him.
The incident of deserting his military post later on in Paris to drive his wife and property to safety was an indication of what kind of person he was, and
Wallis sending her personal maid against the "Trading with the Enemy" Act to get some clothing from her perfectly safe and guarded (by the occupying German troups) house in Paris was not only very frivolous but callous, sending the poor woman through the war to pick up a bathing suit.

Cordelia, the "good side" of Wallisīs family was the Montague side, so if you are related through her mother it would be worth looking closer.
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Old 10-09-2009, 08:02 PM
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So, you are saying that Prince William and Kate Middleton would be suitable to rule Britain? I am related to Bessie on the Montagu side I believe, but cannot find anything past John Montague and Rebecca Brown. On her fathers side I am a descendant of the Dorsey/Darcy family. My cousin Ariana Dorsey married Benjamin Warfield, Bessie's Great-Great Grandfather. I go back to the old Montagu's(Plantagenet Line) - I am related to Princess Alice Christabel Duchess of Gloucester (1901-2004) god rest - through her Montagu side. Her father is my late Grandmother's 9th cousin. I am still searching. I have so many connections.. I get thrown in so many different directions that I can't stop.
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Old 10-09-2009, 08:23 PM
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They aren't suitable to 'rule' Britain. That job is given to the parliament.
Whether William is suitable to 'reign' over Britain is a mute point - he gets the job due to being the eldest son of his father and for no other reason at all. It is a simple accident of birth.

Whether Kate is suitable is also mute as all she has to do is marry William and due to his birth she will get the position of Queen Consort of Britain in time - a position that has no official power at all but, like all wealthy people will allow her some influence.

Fortunately these days the British people, like many other people live in a representative democracy which means they elect representatives to 'rule' them through making the laws etc.
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Old 10-10-2009, 06:47 PM
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I know that.. but they do have some say over the country.. I am aware of Parliament. Nevermind the whole thing about ruling over Britain.. geez. That went out the window with the whole Cromwell take over. I'm done talking about Kate and William.. thanks. New topic...
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I can also see that a lot of people dislike Bessie.. so therefore I will embrace my true heritage and switch over..
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No, a lot of us don't dislike Bessie Wallis but felt that she was inappropriate to sit on the throne of England. She was a harbinger of fashion and bon mots. A hoot, actually. I wish I would have met her.
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I don't dislike her.

I thank her for taking him away and allowing a man who knew what it meant to be royal - duty before self - to become a wonderful king and then allowing us to have the marvellous queen that we have had for nearly 60 years.
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I know that.. but they do have some say over the country..
No, they don't.
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