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Old 10-07-2015, 08:37 PM
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Maud is also the aunt of the King being crowned. So she is more than just a foreign Queen consort.


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Old 10-07-2015, 08:59 PM
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Maud is also the aunt of the King being crowned. So she is more than just a foreign Queen consort.
George's death had also made her the last surviving child of King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra, 'Toria having died six weeks before. Julia Gelardi's Born to Rule - Granddaughters of Victoria, Queens of Europe mentions that the "Queen of Norway" attended her nephew's coronation, "dressed in a simple gold gown with an ermine-lined purple robe about her shoulders and a diamond tiara", which implies that she attended as Queen of Norway not British Princess.

In his biography of Elizabeth, The Queen Mother, Hugo Vickers addresses the issue. At page 157 of the paperback version, he writes, "Besides the King and Queen and the little princesses, the figure who attracted the most interest was Queen Mary. Tradition ordained that no other crowned head should be present, but Queen Mary had asked to be allowed to attend, and she presided over the Royal Box. Everyone wanted to cheer her but could only greet her by rising silently to their feet." In a footnote to that paragraph, Vickers says, "Therefore no foreign kings and queens were present, though there were many crown princes. However Queen Mary was accompanied by her sister-in-law, Queen Maud of Norway."

Vickers seems to be implying that the prohibition against dowager and crowned head had merged, and that Mary and Maud were regarded as crowned heads rather than in any other capacity they might also hold. I would have thought that "crowned head" would mean the actual monarch, not his consort, but perhaps that's not the case and my old friend "coverture" might play a role here.

And maybe George VI's coronation marked the start of a divergence from the old traditions, and a greater emphasis on family ties.
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Old 10-08-2015, 04:41 AM
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previous post from Tilia yesterday #287 mentioned the restriction that Monarchs do not attend Coronations of other monarchs. I thought that applied literally to other Monarchs - but I could be in error.
Oh sorry, yes I see what you mean!

I think the restriction does include the spouse of a monarch. It would make sense for that to be the case. Given Queen Maud's unusual position, an exception enabling her to attend the coronation makes sense too and the same goes for Queen Mary.
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Old 10-08-2015, 05:17 AM
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I read somewhere years ago that, following the turmoil of the Abdication, Queen Mary herself wanted to be present at her son's Coronation in order to both show her support for him as a monarch and emphasise the continuity of the royal House to which she'd dedicated her life.
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Old 10-08-2015, 03:21 PM
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I read somewhere years ago that, following the turmoil of the Abdication, Queen Mary herself wanted to be present at her son's Coronation in order to both show her support for him as a monarch and emphasise the continuity of the royal House to which she'd dedicated her life.

Yes, I've read the same thing about Queen Mary wanting to show support for her son and daughter in law and also to show that things went on as usual even after the abdication. A bit of a Royal "Carry on"


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On this day in 1727 George II is crowned at Westminster Abbey.

George Frideric Handel was commissioned to write four new coronation anthems for the service.

One of these anthems, Zadok the Priest, has been played at every British coronation since.

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Fantastic, uplifting piece of music..
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:33 PM
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I think the tradition Queen Mary abolished should have been abolished long before. Queen Alexandra should have been at the for the ceremony of her son George V. Just because the monarch is dead, the consort should not be persona non grata. If QE2 should pass before the D of E, he should be at his son's ceremony for support. Even with Camilla being a step mother, she should be there for William.
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^^ The royals in modern times probably will. However, Queen Mary was a real stickler for tradition in most things. It was only the extraordinary events of the previous year that brought her out IMO. As for Alexandra, the Court of 1911 wasn't that of 1937 when George VI was crowned. Most of the courtiers and advisers then had served the old Queen Victoria and those ways prevailed.
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:45 PM
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I think the tradition Queen Mary abolished should have been abolished long before. Queen Alexandra should have been at the for the ceremony of her son George V. Just because the monarch is dead, the consort should not be persona non grata. If QE2 should pass before the D of E, he should be at his son's ceremony for support. Even with Camilla being a step mother, she should be there for William.
The reason why already crowned monarchs didn't come was because the new king was supposed to be the highest ranking and have the highest precedence in the room. With the 1937 coronation Queen Mary and Queen Maud were consorts so they still didn't hold precedence over the new King and his wife.

What's interesting is the 1953 coronation, Queen Salote of Tonga attended. She was a reigning Queen since 1918 and technically held precedence over Queen Elizabeth.
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My questions are regarding Queen Mary and Queen Maud who attended the coronation in 1937.

Did these two ladies attend as queens or British princesses? And their robes were that of a queen or princess of the blood?
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I would imagine they attended as Queen Consort's (of GB and Norway.) I don't think they would have been demoted in rank. Technically (due to her marriage to George V,) Mary had been Empress of India, of course.

I'm not even sure that before her marriage Mary was classed as a British princess. Her mother was, as a granddaughter of King George III and daughter of the Duke of Cambridge, but May's father was Duke of Teck, a German title deriving from the kingdom of Württemberg. Of course she was born in Britain and lived most of her life there.
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If you look at the robes Queen Mary wore to her own coronation in 1911 vs those she wore in 1937, there is a big difference. In 1911 her robes were that of The Queen even having her initials on them. For the coronation of her son in 1937 her and Maud both wore smaller robes that matched the Royal princesses and duchesses. They obviously were still queens but wore the regalia of princesses. The queen mother did the same in 1953 vs 1937.
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A report sanctioned by Queen Mary on the 1937 coronation, discussing what robes she will be wearing. She wore the crown from her 1911 coronation as consort on her head also, minus the arches and velvet.

01 May 1937 - Queen Mary and the Coronation - Trove

The second paragraph begins 'Beneath her purple Coronation robe....'
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A report sanctioned by Queen Mary on the 1937 coronation, discussing what robes she will be wearing. She wore the crown from her 1911 coronation as consort on her head also, minus the arches and velvet.

01 May 1937 - Queen Mary and the Coronation - Trove

The second paragraph begins 'Beneath her purple Coronation robe....'

Thanks for posting that Curryong. It was a fascinating read.
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Coronation of King Edward VII. His date had to be changed.
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Yes. He had to be operated on for appendicitis just before the original Coronation.
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That delay gave Philip's parents a chance to get to know one another and fall in love, as they both hung around for the new date.
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I restored and colorized a b&w photo of the day the Queen was crowned.

Hello, guys! I'm glad to have found this forum. I'm a graphic designer specialized in the colorization and restoration of black and white photographs. Yesterday, after 2 days of work, I managed to finish my latest colorization: a photo of the day the Queen was crowned.

Although there are some pictures and videos in already in color, I think the colors that they have are very opaque because of the technology available at the time. My goal in restoring and colorizing this photo was to provide a modern look to it, so that the feeling was as if someone had taken this picture yesterday. As I said, this photo was completely black and white. In case of interest, you can find me on Twitter: marinamaral2

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Hello, guys! I'm glad to have found this forum. I'm a graphic designer specialized in the colorization and restoration of black and white photographs. Yesterday, after 2 days of work, I managed to finish my latest colorization: a photo of the day the Queen was crowned.

Although there are some pictures and videos in already in color, I think the colors that they have are very opaque because of the technology available at the time. My goal in restoring and colorizing this photo was to provide a modern look to it, so that the feeling was as if someone had taken this picture yesterday. As I said, this photo was completely black and white. In case of interest, you can find me on Twitter: marinamaral2

I'd be happy to hear your feedback!

Thank you!

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Marinamaral, The colorized photograph is outstanding! The reds of the uniforms are quite vibrant.
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