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Types of Engagements

The type of engagement range is fairly consistent but no doubt there will be some new ones soon as the weather begins to pick up in the UK.

Audience - 30
Ballet - 0
Called Upon - 8
Ceremony - 7
Church Service - 23
Concert - 10
Conference - 20
Council Meeting - 3
Dinner - 93
Football - 1
Forum - 4
Funeral - 6
Investiture - 20
Launched - 8
Luncheon 59
Meeting - 77
Met People - 21
Opened - 80
Other Events - 68
Other Sports - 17
Performance - 10
Polo - 0
Presented Awards - 21
Races 7
Received - 167
Received by - 17
Reception - 117
Rugby - 4
Military Parade/Salute - 10
Seminar - 7
Tea - 5
Tennis - 6
Unveiled - 12
Viewed - 17
Visit - 292
Gala 1

Visited by 2
Toured - 4
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Old 04-26-2014, 03:16 AM
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I really admire all the work here in this thread. I am really interested in Cambridge tour - is ti possible to summarize it? - how much engagements they carried and probably, which type of engagements - cause according to me it was a big funny trip, not really official hard-working tour, so maybe type of engagements would be more interesting than number.
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When I have the final figures - Tuesday this week when I get the figures for 25th April I will be able to do that breakdown.

I will need to go back and see how many they had on the 6th April and work from there - I do have the information.

Later this week there will be the monthly update of type of engagements for each royal but I can do the breakdown by type for the tour.

It must be noted that sometimes an engagement is one engagement that can involve multiple activities e.g. visited a cultural centre where they opened a new display and then viewed a performance. That is one engagement but would be listed as three different types of engagements as to me they are doing different things - one is a count of total engagements while the other is to show the full range of activities being undertaken.
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Thank you for all your work Bertie - I very much appreciate it.

Due to the saturation coverage of the Cambridge's tour I genuinely expected them to be a lot higher in the 'league' table this week due to the number of events they have carried out over the tour. I guess the other royals have been going on with business as usual for the last few weeks so although the Cambridge's numbers have risen so have the other members of the Royal Family (eg minor members of the family) who regularly carry out events.
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Weekly update to 24th April, 2014
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 65 (44 up 11)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 45 (44 up 1)

The 'league table'

HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 65
The Duke of Gloucester's numbers are not adding up.
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The Duke of Gloucester was on 54 not 44 - typo.

He is correct on 65 having done 11 during the last week - 6 on the 24th and 5 on the 23rd.
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Thank you for all your work Bertie - I very much appreciate it.

Due to the saturation coverage of the Cambridge's tour I genuinely expected them to be a lot higher in the 'league' table this week due to the number of events they have carried out over the tour. I guess the other royals have been going on with business as usual for the last few weeks so although the Cambridge's numbers have risen so have the other members of the Royal Family (eg minor members of the family) who regularly carry out events.
There was saturation coverage but in reality they were only doing 2 or 3 engagements per day e.g. Sunday - they went to church and the zoo - 2 engagements but due to being overseas the coverage went for hours whereas all we normally get, if anything, is a 20 second grab during the news covering maybe 1 engagement that a person does at home.
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I really admire all the work here in this thread. I am really interested in Cambridge tour - is ti possible to summarize it? - how much engagements they carried and probably, which type of engagements - cause according to me it was a big funny trip, not really official hard-working tour, so maybe type of engagements would be more interesting than number.
We actually can all go look at the Court Circular items - though as Iluvbertie attests, there are issues with updates and the search tool itself is finicky. In any case, it is interesting to see how things are summarized. Simply visit http://www.royal.gov.uk/LatestNewsan...aysevents.aspx , select a royal and a date range.

For example: April 13
"The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge today carried out the following engagements in New Zealand.
Their Royal Highnesses this morning attended the Holy Communion Service in the Cathedral Church of St. Paul, Dunedin.
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge afterwards attended the Rippa Rugby Tournament at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin.
Their Royal Highnesses this afternoon visited Amisfield Vineyard, Queenstown.
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge later embarked in a jet boat and travelled on the Shotover River, Queenstown"
They travelled on the Shotover river. No mention of all the lines walked, the fact that the Duke invited school children he had missed on his last trip or any of the other things that eat up time and energy. The CC is what it is.
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Prince William held an Investiture at Government House in Canberra on April 25th before attending Anzac Day commemorations (Court Circular)
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Weekly update to 1st May, 2014

Quite a busy week with 110 engagements carried out in total and both The Queen and Philip having a very busy two days in Wales The Queen did 16 and Philip 12 over those two days. Charles had a quiet week, while Edward and Anne were their usual busy selves. Princess Alexandra has been overseas for the last couple of days.

HM The Queen - 137 (119 up 18)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 87 (74 up 13)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 162 (160 up 4)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 62 (62 no change)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 60 (58 up 2)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 50 (49 up 1)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 11 (11 no change)
HRH The Duke of York - 106 (103 up 3)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 2 (2 no change)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 0 (0 - no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 109 (90 up 19)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 107 (94 up 13)
HRH The Princess Royal - 181 (168 - up 13)
Vice-Admiral Tim Laurence - 31 (30 up 1)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 76 (65 up 11)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 52 (45 up 7)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 57 (55 up 2)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 0 (0 - no change)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent 3 (3 no change)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 2 (2 no change)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 12 (7 up 5)

The 'league table'

HRH The Princess Royal - 181
HRH The Prince of Wales - 162
HM The Queen 137
HRH The Earl of Wessex 109
HRH The Countess of Wessex 107
HRH The Duke of York - 106
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh 87
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 76
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 62
HRH The Duke of Cambridge 60
HRH The Duke of Kent 57
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester 52
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge 50
Vice-Admiral Tim Laurence 31
HRH Princess Alexandra - 12
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 11
HRH Prince Michael of Kent 3
HRH Princess Beatrice of York 2
HRH Princess Michael of Kent 2
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 0
HRH The Duchess of Kent 0

Year to date total - 1307 (1197 - up 110)

75.1% of those engagements being carried out by The Queen, her children and their spouses.
The main line (The Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall, Duke of Cambridge, Duchess of Cambridge, Prince Harry) has done 43.5%.
17.1% of all engagements are being done by those over 85.
22.4% done by those 70 and above
63.6% are being done by those over 60.
41.7% were done by those in their 60s.
10.5% have been done by The Queen.
12.4% were done by Charles.
4.7% were done by Camilla
49.7% were done by those over retirement age
13.8%% were done by Anne

Days on which official engagements were undertaken to 1st May, 2014

HM The Queen - 48
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 42
HRH The Prince of Wales - 55
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 32
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 23
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 20
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 9
HRH The Duke of York - 41
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 2
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 0
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 38
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 40
HRH The Princess Royal - 67
Vice-Admiral Tim Laurence - 18
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 42
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 34
HRH The Duke of Kent - 38
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 0
HRH Prince Michael of Kent - 3
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 2
HRH Princess Alexandra - 10
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Types of Engagements

The type of engagement range is fairly consistent but no doubt there will be some new ones soon as the weather begins to pick up in the UK.

Audience - 31
Ballet - 0
Called Upon - 8
Ceremony - 9
Church Service - 26
Concert - 10
Conference - 21
Council Meeting - 4
Dinner - 104
Football - 1
Forum - 4
Funeral - 6
Investiture - 22
Launched - 8
Luncheon 62
Meeting - 83
Met People - 30
Opened - 89
Other Events - 71
Other Sports - 17
Performance - 12
Polo - 0
Presented Awards - 22
Races 9
Received - 175
Received by - 24
Reception - 123
Rugby - 4
Military Parade/Salute - 10
Seminar - 7
Tea - 5
Tennis - 6
Unveiled - 14
Viewed - 26
Visit - 326
Gala 1
Visited by 2
Toured - 11
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As I now have the final figures for April I am giving you a breakdown of total of each type of engagement by royal to this point in the year. The number in brackets is the total for that type of engagement by that royal for the year while the number not in brackets is the total for April e.g. The Queen had 5 Audiences in April and has done 31 Audiences so far this year.

Where there is a 0 outside the brackets it means that that royal did none of that type of engagement in April but that they have already done at least one of that type of engagement this year.

HM The Queen: Audience - 5 (31); Church Service - 1 (2); Council Meeting - 2 (4); Dinner 1 (1); Funeral - 0 (1); Investiture - 1 (9); Luncheon - 3 (10); Met People - 6 (11); Opened - 2 (3); Other events - 4 (7); Performance - 1 (3); Presented Awards - 0 (6); Received - 2 (35); Received by 5 (5); Reception - 2 (9); Unveiled - 1 (3); Viewed - 5 (11); Visit - 4 (9); Visited by - 0 (1); Toured - 4 (6)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh: Church Service - 1 (2); Concert - 0 (1); Dinner 3 (12); Funeral - 0 (1); Luncheon 3 (9); Meeting - 0 (1); Met People - 5 (10); Opened - 1 (3); Other Events - 5 (6); Performance - 1 (3); Presented Awards - 0 (1); received - 2 (7); Received by - 4 (0); Reception - 2 (14); Unveiled - 0 (2); Viewed - 4 (8); Visit - 7 (13); Toured 3 (5);
HRH The Prince of Wales: Called Upon - 0 (3); Church Service - 1 (3); Concert - 0 (1); Conference - 0 (1); Dinners - 1 (8); Investiture - 1 (6); Launched - 1 (0); Luncheon - 0 (1); Meetings - 7 (25); Met People - 1 (3); Opened - 0 (1); Other Events - 3 (4); Other Sports - 0 (1); Presented Awards - 0 (3); Received - 4 (44); Received by - 0 (5); Receptions - 3 (19); Seminars - 0 (2); Tea - 0 (1); Viewed - 0 (2); Visits - 8 (33);
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall: Church Service - 0 (2); Concerts - 0 (2); Dinner - 0 (2); Investiture - 1(1); Met People - 1 (2); Opened - 0 (3); Other Events - 2 (3); Races - 0 (1); Received - 0 (7); Reception - 2 (10); Tea - 0 (2); Viewed - 0 (1); Visits - 6 (28);
HRH The Duke of Cambridge: Ceremony - 1 (2); Church Service - 2 (2); Conference - 0 (2); Dinner - 0 (1); Investiture - 2 (3); Luncheon - 1 (1); Met People - 2 (2);Opened - 2 (2); Other Events - 7 (7); Presented Awards - 0 (1); Received - 4 (4); Received by - 1 (1); Reception - 6 (7); Rugby 1 (1); Military Parade/Salute - 2 (2); Tea 1 (1); Unveiled - 1 (2); Visit - 18 (19);
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge: Ceremony - 1 (1); Church Service - 2 (2); Dinner - 0 (1); Luncheon - 1 (1); Met People - 2 (2); Opened - 2 (3); Other Events - 7 (7); Presented Awards - 1 (1); Received - 1 (1); Received by - 1 (1); Reception - 6 (7); Rugby - 1 (1); Military Parade/Salute - 2 (3); Tea - 1 (1);Unveiled - 1 (1); Visit - 18 (18); Gala - 0 (1);
HRH Prince Henry of Wales: Ceremony - 0 (1); Church Service - 0 (1); Conference - 0 (1) Dinner - 0 (2); Launched - 0 (1); Opened - 1 (1); Other Events - 1 (2); Other Sports - 0 (1); Received - 1 (1); Reception - 1 (1); Visit - 1 (2);
HRH The Duke of York: Called Upon - 0 (1); Ceremony - 0 (1); Church Service - 0 (1); Dinner - 0 (7); Forum - 0 (2); Funeral - 0 (1); Investiture - 0 (1); Launched - 1 (3); Luncheons - 0 (6); Meetings - 1 (8); Opened - 0 (14); Other Event - 5 (8); Performance - 0 (1); Presented Awards - 1 (1); Received - 3 (16); Received by - 0 (3); Reception - 0 (6); Salute/Other Military - 0 (2); Seminar - 0 (1); Unveiled - 0 (1); Viewed - 1 (1); Visit - 0 (25); Visited by - 0 (1);
HRH Princess Beatrice of York: Church Service - 0 (1); Funeral - 0 (1)
HRH The Earl of Wessex: Called Upon - 0 (2); Church Service - 1 (2); Concert - 0 (1); Dinner - 4 (13); Luncheon - 3 (10); Meeting- 7 (17); Opened - 2 (9); Other Events - 3 (7); Performance - 0 (2); Races - 1 (1); Received - 1 (4); Received by - 0 (1); Reception - 2 (7); Visits - 8 (32);
HRH The Countess of Wessex: Called Upon - 0 (2); Church Service - 0 (2); Dinner - 1 (11); Forum - 0 (1); Funeral - 0 (1); Launched - 0 (1); Luncheon - 1 (9); Meeting - 0 (16); Opened - 2 (7); Other Events - 1 (3); Other Sports - 0 (3); Performance - 0 (1); Received - 1 (4); Received by - 0 (1); Reception - 1 (5); Visit - 6 (36);
HRH The Princess Royal: Ceremony - 1 (4); Church Service - 0 (1); Conference - 3 (15); Dinner - 6 (18); Football - 0 (1); Forum - 0(1); Investiture - 0 (1); Launched - 0 (1); Luncheon - 1 (3); Meeting - 3 (9); Opened - 7 (1724); Other Events - 4(10); Other Sports - 1 (5); Presented Awards - 1 (6); Races - 3 (6); Received - 5 (13); Received by - 0 (2); Reception - 2 (17); Rugby - 0 (2); Seminar - 1 (3); Unveiled - 0 (2); Viewed - 1 (2); Visits - 14 (41);
Vice Admiral Tim Laurence: Dinner - 2 (5); Luncheon - 0 (1); Other Events - 1 (2); Other Sports - 0 (4); Races - 1 (1); Reception - 0 (5); Rugby - 0 (2); Unveiled - 0 (1); Visit - 0 (15);
HRH The Duke of Gloucester: Church Service - 2 (2); Conference - 0 (1); Dinner - 3 (5); Luncheon - 2 (5); Meeting - 0 (1); Opened - 5 (9); Other Events- 2 (5); Performance - 0 (1); Presented Awards - 1 (2); Received - 3 (14); Reception - 0 (3); Salute/Other Military - 0 (1); Viewed - 1 (1); Visit - 17 (22);
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester: Church Service - 0 (1); Concert - 0 (1); Dinner - 4 (7); Luncheon - 1 (2); Meeting - 0 (2); Opened - 0 (3); Other Events - 2 (3); Other Sports - 0 (1); Performance - 0 (1); Presented Awards - 1 (1); Received - 2 (12); Reception - 0 (3); Seminar - 1 (1); Tennis - 3 (6); Unveiled - 1 (2); Visit - 3 (8);
HRH The Duke of Kent: Church Service - 2 (3); Concert - 1 (2); Dinner - 2 (7); Launched - 0 (1); Luncheon - 1 (4); Meeting - 1 (1); Opened - 0 (5); Other Events - 1 (2); Presented Awards - 1 (1); Received - 1 (8); Received by - 1 (1); Reception - 2 (3); Salute/Other Military - 1 (2); Visits - 4 (16);
HRH Prince Michael of Kent: Church Service - 1 (1);Other Events - 1 (1); Reception - 0 (1)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent : Concert - 1 (1); Other Events - 1 (1);
HRH Princess Alexandra: Conference - 1 (1); Dinner - 0 (1); Funeral - 0 (1); Meeting - 1 (1); Opened - 1 (1); Received - 0 (1); Reception - 2 (3); Visit - 0 (1)

Note: those not listed above have done no engagements so far this year - Eugenie and Katherine.

I would also like to remind people that if there is a difference between the breakdown and the total it is because there are times when an engagement is worded something like: 'HRH aaa visited xxx and then attended a dinner'. When this is at the one venue this is counted as one engagement but in the identification of types of engagement I am identifying both activities. An exact example of this would be Her Majesty, escorted by the Chairman, and His Royal Highness, escorted by the Principal, listened to a performance by the a capella choir in Bradenstoke Hall, viewed displays of students' project work, and met students, members of staff, governors and supporters in the Great Hall. which I count in the weekly totals as 1 engagement for each of The Queen and Philip while for the above list I register this as Performance, Viewed and Met People.
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The British way of counting is most peculiar and gives a false idea.

The Princess Royal today attended Grand National Day at the Grand National Race Meeting, Aintree Racecourse, Ormskirk Road, Liverpool.

The Princess Royal, Patron, the Injured Jockeys Fund, this afternoon attended the Fiftieth Anniversary Celebration at Aintree Racecourse, Ormskirk Road, Liverpool.

The Princess Royal, President, Carers Trust, attended a Seminar to mark the Twenty First Anniversary of the Sefton Carers' Centre, Southport Theatre and Convention Centre, the Promenade, Southport, Merseyside.

Her Royal Highness, Royal Patron, Hft, this afternoon attended a Personalised Technology Conference, Liverpool Football Club, Anfield Road, Liverpool, Merseyside.

The Princess Royal, Master, the Corporation of Trinity House, later opened the Nautilus Welfare Fund Trinity House Hub, Nautilus House, Mariners' Park, Wallasey, Merseyside.


All these events happens at the same day, in the same region. The first two events even are on exactly the same location but count as two separate events!

The continental Royal Houses usually enlist it as such:

HRH Princess [name]:
Visit to Merseyside.


The effect: woooooow! Princess Anne works five times so hard than those lazy continental royals! It is however just the same visit but differently counted. When King Philippe and Queen Mathilde visited the city of Mons in Hainaut, then this was simply enlisted as "Visit to Mons". Period.

The British way of counting would result in a busy-looking five engagements:

The King and Queen were received by the Governor of Hainaut and met members of the provincial council, House of the Province, Avenue Gnral De Gaulle, Mons.

The King and Queen were received by the Mayor and the Aldermen of the city of Mons, City Hall, Grand Place, Mons.

The King and Queen made a walk through the city and visited the restoration works of the Collgiale Sainte-Waudru, Mons.

The King and Queen were offered a lunch at the renowned restaurant Les Gribaumonts, Rue de Havr, Mons.

The King and Queen were given a farewell ceremony at the Gare de Mons.
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Not sure how it gives a false idea, Anne did 5 seperate things in the "area", with 5 different sets of people, doing 5 different things. The King and Queen did exactly the same as Anne, however the Belgium court describes it differently. I see no problem.

Also, British royals are rarely compared to their european counterparts because the British RF is so unique. You can't compare Queen Elizabeth II with Queen Mathilde, but you're supposed to as they're in the same position.
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A note that the BRF has NO official way of counting things. They list events that the members of the family actually do.

People like Mr O'Donovan starting compiling counts from the detailed description that the BRF have provided.

I have followed his lead and my counting is purely MY WAY and nothing to do with the BRF at all.

I have made a decision to count this way.

If the European royals don't decide to give that sort of detail to their people that is their business. They therefore can't complain if they are compared poorly to the BRF as they choose not to give the same degree of information.

As for Anne's first two engagements being counted as two - I don't know about Mr O'Donovan but I don't count it as two engagements when they do two things at the same venue so I would count her as doing 4 things as she had to go to four places to do so.

The only time I do count multiple events in the same venue is when The Queen or the others receive different people in the same venue on the same day e.g. The Queen receives the new High Commissioner to Australia and then receives the new High Commissioner from India who hands over their letters of appointment and then later the same day has a Council meeting - all at BP. I would count that as three events. I do that because they are high profile events and often involve meeting with the formal representative either to or from another country.

I reiterate - this is MY WAY of counting the BRF engagements and NOT theirs - they have NO WAY of counting as they don't count them at all. They provide information and there are people like me who have decided to keep a record and do a count but how we count varies - e.g. Mr O'Donovan, who has been doing a count for over 30 years doesn't come up with the same figures as I do - and the DM has started doing its own count and guess what - differs to both of us as well - so three counts on the same information and three different figures.
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It is no criticism. It is just the conclusion that any statistics have their own method and makes it very difficult to compare. Sadly lazy media often use statistics without controlling and then claim that royal A or royal B is "the hardest working" or that the British royals do deliver more value for money than in other monarchies (without mentioning that most royals there pursue an own career and provide in their own income).

But when Princess Anne visits the horseraces at Aintree and in between the races has a little drink-and-chat with officials from the Injured Jockeys Fund and then this is count as TWO engagements.... Any logic will say: HRH went to the races. Period. It is all very much a question of interpretation and perception. No criticism intended.

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Well, am I blind or I cant count or where is the mistake? According to data here - William made 50 engagements in April and Kate made 45 (I summarized that from weekly update) but... according to event by event (post number 92) it made only 47 for William and 42 for Kate. I guess it can be more (if you sometimes count something in total as one), but it cant be lesser number then the whole sum... I guess there is some event which happened three times for both but is missed for both in monthly event review.. any idea?
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Iluvbertie counts engagements differently as to how they are counted on the CC I believe. That maybe where the variation is coming from.
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Thanks again for doing this each week Bertie. It is one of the main reasons many of us visit the forums so often.

I am pleased to see the Cambridges doing so much at last.
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Thanks again for doing this each week Bertie. It is one of the main reasons many of us visit the forums so often.

I am pleased to see the Cambridges doing so much at last.
That was only because they were on tour and even that was a light itinerary compared to what the Prince of Wales and Princess Anne do when they are overseas. It remains to be seen whether their numbers pick up long term.
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